Säkerhetspodcasten avs.135 – Sec-T 2018 Day 1

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This episode is a collection of our interviews from day one of Sec-T 2018. Featuring interviews with Dan Tentler, Olle Segerdahl, Pasi Saarinen, Frans Rosén, Paolo Stagno and Zoz Brooks.

Inspelat: 2018-09-13. Längd: 00:59:10.

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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,120 Ja, vi rekryterar och nivåerna ser bra ut.

2 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:42,640 Och den här gången kallade nån Ericsson och inom 5 minuter hittade vi en publikt utsläppad remote desktop till en Windows XP-machin.

3 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,560 Och på den tiden tänkte man att det inte skulle bli bättre än det.

4 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:52,400 För på den tiden tänkte man att man ska använda sin imagination och se vad som händer.

5 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,800 Varför? Varför är det online?

6 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,800 Det är skrämmande.

7 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,800 Välkomna till internet, jag ska vara din guider.

8 00:00:58,800 --> 00:00:59,920 Jag hoppas att du har det bra.

9 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:01,920 Jag har en hälsa.

10 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,720 Så för dem som inte har tittat på din berättelse så ska du gå till Säkti och titta på den.

11 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,720 Men låt oss sammanfatta.

12 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,520 Så du har gjort det på grund av att vi gör det fel?

13 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:19,120 För att vara mer speciell så gör jag det på grund av att stora organisationer som har upplevt gigantiska publika utsläpp

14 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:27,040 inte är nödvändiga för säkerhetsposturen i deras organisation.

15 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,040 De behandlar det som ett PR-problem.

16 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,520 De behandlar det som ett PR-problem.

17 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,520 De behandlar det som ett PR-problem.

18 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,520 De behandlar det som ett PR-problem.

19 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,520 Så jag har en person som kom in och sa att jag sa ingenting åt det.

20 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,520 Jag pratar om hans gig och han är på stundet.

21 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,520 Ja, och världen är så stor.

22 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,520 Särskilt för säkerhetens ord.

23 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,520 Ja, och han sa tack för alla de uppföljelser.

24 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,520 Men du gjorde det rätt.

25 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,520 Det finns demonstrerande evidens som visar att de hade ett breach och gjorde lite.

26 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,520 Och nu är perimetret effektivt en ställning och jag kunde inte hitta något.

27 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,520 Jag kan inte…

28 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,520 Om du går in i Ashley Madison så gör du inget lättare.

29 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,520 Du kommer in där man har en tillbyggnad.

30 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:07,520 Men det är en väldigt intressant sak. Jag pratar om ett företag i ett positivt ljus, och han är i publiken.

31 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:14,520 Jag trodde inte att jag skulle säga det, men jag skulle gärna vara Ashley Madisons person nu.

32 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,520 Än Ericssons person.

33 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:24,520 Det är så olyckligt hur det här skiljer sig ut. Man kan inte förvänta sig det.

34 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:29,520 En stor entreprenad har en enorm pyramide.

35 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:42,520 Vi tog Ericsson som exempel. De har en bra avgörande av alla basband eller mobila celler och routrar.

36 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,520 Fingerprinten borde vara stor.

37 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:52,520 Jag tror att det är samma sak för sjukvården och medicinska utrustning.

38 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:53,520 Ja.

39 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:54,520 Ja.

40 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:55,520 Det är lite laggande.

41 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,520 Ja.

42 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,520 Vi har pratat med flera kliniker och sjukvårdshospital.

43 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,520 De försöker få dem att köpa säkerhetsservicer från oss.

44 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,520 De säger att de inte är intresserade.

45 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:16,520 De är, åtminstone de som vi har pratat med, av opinionen att de gör vad reglerna befrågar.

46 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:22,520 De känner inte att de måste gå över och över eller göra något mer än vad de är omedvetna om.

47 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:23,520 Det är så de uttrycker det.

48 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,520 Det är den växande sättet de uttrycker det.

49 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,520 Den växande sättet är att de gör vad som är legalt bara för att kunna göra affärer.

50 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:30,520 Ja.

51 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,520 Och det är det.

52 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,520 De gör vad som är legalt bara för att kunna göra affärer.

53 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:34,520 Och de inte har en ansvarighet.

54 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:35,520 Nej.

55 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,520 Och till det slutet säger de att de inte är intresserade.

56 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:37,520 De har insjön.

57 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,520 Så det finns folk som dör i ditt sjukvård.

58 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,520 Ja, exakt.

59 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,520 Om ditt sjukvård blir utnyttjat och om du har Wannacry installerat i ditt hem.

60 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,520 Ja.

61 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:44,520 Vi hade en sån incidens.

62 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:45,520 Det var nog i Chicago, eller hur?

63 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,520 Helt sjukvårdskanalen hade att sluta.

64 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,800 Ransomware in the control systems

65 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,440 for like medical stuff

66 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,060 so people get their treatment

67 00:04:55,060 --> 00:04:56,620 and what’s worse is

68 00:04:56,620 --> 00:04:58,840 because that ransomware campaign was successful

69 00:04:58,840 --> 00:04:59,780 and they pay the ransom

70 00:04:59,780 --> 00:05:02,720 all the other ransomware people went oh they pay

71 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,520 and started infecting everybody

72 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,640 and then now what you have is you have

73 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,480 people that are buying bitcoin, laughably

74 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,640 buying like several thousand dollars

75 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:11,900 in bitcoin and setting it aside

76 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:14,420 in case they get ransomwared, that’s their

77 00:05:14,420 --> 00:05:16,480 solution, the solution isn’t like fixed

78 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,740 security and like patch stuff so we don’t get ransomware

79 00:05:18,740 --> 00:05:20,480 the solution is just pay the ransom

80 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,900 and it’s like

81 00:05:21,900 --> 00:05:24,040 you’re, oh my god

82 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,320 you’re trying to put the fire out with kerosene

83 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,220 and it’s not working

84 00:05:27,220 --> 00:05:30,200 so what should we do

85 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,520 in your opinion, what should large corporations do

86 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,460 everyone should be a little bit more like Ashley Madison

87 00:05:34,460 --> 00:05:36,740 yeah, for sure

88 00:05:36,740 --> 00:05:38,640 so there’s several different schools

89 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,640 of thought here and sadly there is not one

90 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,580 sort of one size fits all solution for everyone

91 00:05:42,580 --> 00:05:44,560 in almost

92 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:45,560 every circumstance

93 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,440 the problems that we see like we saw

94 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,200 at Ericsson and like we saw at Equifax

95 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:51,120 and at BA

96 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,620 they’re the results

97 00:05:54,620 --> 00:05:56,460 of years and years and years of

98 00:05:56,460 --> 00:05:57,960 neglect and technical debt

99 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,320 so what you end up is some system

100 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,580 running on some super ancient blah blah blah

101 00:06:02,580 --> 00:06:04,320 and the license

102 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,260 says that it’s only allowed to run

103 00:06:06,260 --> 00:06:08,200 on Windows XP version blah

104 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,480 so the only option you have

105 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,500 is to like P2V the whole machine

106 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:13,720 like turn it into a virtual machine

107 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,540 but in some circumstances you can’t do that

108 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,000 because that machine is your MRI machine

109 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,900 for example, like you can’t P2V an MRI machine

110 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:22,740 or in worse circumstances

111 00:06:22,740 --> 00:06:24,420 you have an MRI machine or a CT scan

112 00:06:24,420 --> 00:06:26,080 or some big 20 million dollar device

113 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,880 and it’s got embedded Windows XP

114 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,500 or embedded Windows CE or some garbage like that

115 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:32,300 and the manufacturer

116 00:06:32,300 --> 00:06:33,160 goes out of business

117 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,120 and because of certain types of medical rules

118 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,040 like you can’t just

119 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,360 reverse engineer the driver that talks

120 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,260 to the machine and stick it on an Ubuntu

121 00:06:42,260 --> 00:06:43,900 machine and make life easier for everyone

122 00:06:43,900 --> 00:06:45,320 because it’s no longer compliant

123 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,260 you can’t just fix it

124 00:06:47,260 --> 00:06:49,160 because the law says you’re not allowed

125 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,660 the law says you can patch stuff

126 00:06:50,660 --> 00:06:51,880 and even then it’s really interesting

127 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,720 because a lot of people in the medical field

128 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,420 believe that you can’t patch because HIPAA

129 00:06:56,420 --> 00:06:57,620 and that’s completely incorrect

130 00:06:57,620 --> 00:06:59,500 you can patch and you can upgrade machines

131 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:02,780 but you can’t like there’s some language

132 00:07:02,780 --> 00:07:05,000 regarding being able to forklift something

133 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,260 onto a completely new operating system

134 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:09,360 that has not been tested in the same ways

135 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,080 as like so if you have a machine

136 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,740 and it’s like you know Windows Server 2008

137 00:07:13,740 --> 00:07:15,420 and you want to upgrade it to Windows Server 2012

138 00:07:15,420 --> 00:07:17,620 like it is reasonable to say

139 00:07:17,620 --> 00:07:19,020 that you can forklift all the configurations

140 00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:20,020 and everything from one to the other

141 00:07:20,020 --> 00:07:20,860 and then there’s a paper trail

142 00:07:20,860 --> 00:07:22,120 that supports everything and you’re okay

143 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,980 but like you can’t just forklift it to Ubuntu

144 00:07:23,980 --> 00:07:26,700 because the rules don’t like

145 00:07:26,700 --> 00:07:29,520 there’s no like a gold standard

146 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,120 or gold image for that operating system

147 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:31,860 or something to that effect

148 00:07:31,860 --> 00:07:33,000 but you still have the problem

149 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:33,680 in Ubuntu though

150 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:34,880 you need your hardening

151 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,020 you need to take care of your technical depth

152 00:07:38,020 --> 00:07:40,000 in Ubuntu as well

153 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,160 but the difference is that

154 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,780 it’s a lot easier to take care of

155 00:07:43,780 --> 00:07:45,080 on an operating system

156 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,480 that is currently being supported

157 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,780 by a company and a community

158 00:07:49,780 --> 00:07:51,780 but if you’re running on Windows XP for example

159 00:07:51,780 --> 00:07:53,480 XP is no longer supported by Microsoft

160 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:54,460 and it’s proprietary

161 00:07:54,460 --> 00:07:57,220 so is that a responsibility thing

162 00:07:57,220 --> 00:07:58,420 that people don’t want to be on

163 00:07:58,420 --> 00:08:00,020 for anything going wrong

164 00:08:00,020 --> 00:08:01,300 when you’re moving stuff

165 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:03,000 what I have seen

166 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,680 is at the executive and leadership levels

167 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,220 the people that

168 00:08:07,220 --> 00:08:09,040 in certain circumstances

169 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,640 and this is one of the things I’ve noticed

170 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,740 this is a symptom of high turnover

171 00:08:12,740 --> 00:08:13,960 of executives and leadership

172 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:14,880 that are responsible

173 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:15,580 for IT and security

174 00:08:15,580 --> 00:08:18,660 the sad noir reality

175 00:08:18,660 --> 00:08:20,180 like the cold hard facts

176 00:08:20,180 --> 00:08:21,940 are that generally

177 00:08:21,940 --> 00:08:23,360 like by volume

178 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,000 the people that are in charge of technology

179 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,460 and the people that are in charge of security

180 00:08:27,460 --> 00:08:29,500 they brag to their friends

181 00:08:29,500 --> 00:08:30,580 about not reading email

182 00:08:30,580 --> 00:08:32,100 they say that their kids know more

183 00:08:32,100 --> 00:08:33,560 about computers than they do

184 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:34,380 and it’s like

185 00:08:34,380 --> 00:08:36,840 why are they allowed to be in charge

186 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:37,760 of technology and security

187 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:38,860 if they brag about not using it

188 00:08:38,860 --> 00:08:39,880 like they’re the worst

189 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,200 like the worst possible choice

190 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,460 of people to have in that position

191 00:08:43,460 --> 00:08:44,520 so what they do is

192 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:44,860 they don’t know how to use it

193 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:45,820 they don’t know what they’re doing

194 00:08:45,820 --> 00:08:46,660 so they do their best

195 00:08:46,660 --> 00:08:47,780 to fly by the seat of their pants

196 00:08:47,780 --> 00:08:49,080 and it’s all smoke and mirrors and bullshit

197 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,100 for two years

198 00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:51,280 until they switch jobs

199 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:52,820 and then another person comes in

200 00:08:52,820 --> 00:08:53,480 and it’s the same thing

201 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:54,700 so the people that are supposed to be

202 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:55,560 making the hard decisions

203 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:56,480 the people that are supposed to be

204 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:57,140 defining budgets

205 00:08:57,140 --> 00:08:57,940 to decide what to do

206 00:08:57,940 --> 00:08:58,580 and how to move forward

207 00:08:58,580 --> 00:08:59,800 are doing whatever they can

208 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:00,620 to obfuscate

209 00:09:00,620 --> 00:09:02,060 that they’re not actually doing anything

210 00:09:02,060 --> 00:09:03,000 and they hang out

211 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:03,620 and they get their bonuses

212 00:09:03,620 --> 00:09:04,280 and they get their money

213 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:04,880 and then they leave

214 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,240 and then the next person comes in

215 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:07,040 and it’s the same thing

216 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:07,460 they hang out

217 00:09:07,460 --> 00:09:08,100 and they’re like

218 00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:09,960 oh I’ve inherited a dumpster fire

219 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,380 I don’t want to deal with this

220 00:09:11,380 --> 00:09:12,380 I’m just going to make excuses

221 00:09:12,380 --> 00:09:13,080 and make delays

222 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:14,040 and cause problems

223 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:14,720 and fire people

224 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:15,500 and change departments

225 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:17,420 and it’s a shell game

226 00:09:17,420 --> 00:09:18,700 until they leave

227 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:19,680 and they stay for two years

228 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:20,340 they take their bonus

229 00:09:20,340 --> 00:09:20,800 and they leave

230 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:21,540 and they just do that

231 00:09:21,540 --> 00:09:22,200 over and over and over

232 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:22,800 and over and over again

233 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:23,900 and that’s one of the symptoms

234 00:09:23,900 --> 00:09:24,880 that we’re

235 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:25,720 the symptoms

236 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,340 that we’re experiencing

237 00:09:27,340 --> 00:09:28,980 are all of these hacks

238 00:09:28,980 --> 00:09:29,920 and the reason that

239 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:30,640 this is the case

240 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:31,500 is because we continue

241 00:09:31,500 --> 00:09:32,200 to allow people

242 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,940 that probably shouldn’t be allowed

243 00:09:33,940 --> 00:09:34,680 to touch computers

244 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:35,320 in the first place

245 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:36,920 to be in charge of computers

246 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:37,560 and computer networks

247 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:38,860 and their subsequent security

248 00:09:38,860 --> 00:09:40,300 and it’s just mind-boggling

249 00:09:40,300 --> 00:09:42,540 I think that’s

250 00:09:42,540 --> 00:09:42,900 a

251 00:09:42,900 --> 00:09:43,060 a

252 00:09:43,060 --> 00:09:43,980 probably a good way

253 00:09:43,980 --> 00:09:44,540 to sum it up

254 00:09:44,540 --> 00:09:45,000 yeah

255 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,900 and that’s just one segment of it

256 00:09:46,900 --> 00:09:48,100 there’s other components

257 00:09:48,100 --> 00:09:48,740 where you’ll have

258 00:09:48,740 --> 00:09:49,520 people like

259 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,320 a former boss

260 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:52,020 that I had one time

261 00:09:52,020 --> 00:09:52,920 that told me to my face

262 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,220 after I had been using

263 00:09:54,220 --> 00:09:54,780 Java Rhino

264 00:09:54,780 --> 00:09:55,700 to shell Macs

265 00:09:55,700 --> 00:09:56,900 that Macs can’t get shelled

266 00:09:56,900 --> 00:09:57,980 and he was in charge

267 00:09:57,980 --> 00:09:58,620 of an organization

268 00:09:58,620 --> 00:09:59,600 that

269 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,760 the entire fleet of computers

270 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,100 was like 3,000 Macs

271 00:10:03,100 --> 00:10:04,060 so like the guy

272 00:10:04,060 --> 00:10:04,800 in charge of security

273 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,080 didn’t believe me

274 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:06,640 when I told him

275 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:07,500 you can shell a Mac

276 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:08,560 and I’m like well

277 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:10,160 we’re probably in bad shape

278 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:10,620 at this point

279 00:10:10,620 --> 00:10:11,720 like if the guy in charge

280 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,880 doesn’t believe

281 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:13,980 the people he hires

282 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:15,720 to give him

283 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:16,060 security

284 00:10:16,060 --> 00:10:16,820 or actually believes

285 00:10:16,820 --> 00:10:17,960 that an OS is magic

286 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:18,460 yeah

287 00:10:18,460 --> 00:10:19,440 so I mean

288 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:20,920 and again

289 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:21,780 this is one of these like

290 00:10:21,780 --> 00:10:23,100 hang out in leadership

291 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:24,380 smoke and mirrors

292 00:10:24,380 --> 00:10:25,200 you know

293 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,260 silver tongue

294 00:10:26,260 --> 00:10:28,280 I can do executive speak

295 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,020 I can do corporate stuff

296 00:10:30,020 --> 00:10:32,640 the leadership is placated

297 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:33,960 and there’s lots of platitudes

298 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:34,920 and happiness there

299 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,080 and as long as those people

300 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:36,500 are happy

301 00:10:36,500 --> 00:10:37,500 like it doesn’t matter

302 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:38,460 what’s on fire

303 00:10:38,460 --> 00:10:39,080 on the back end

304 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:39,820 and that’s again

305 00:10:39,820 --> 00:10:41,120 it’s like that

306 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:41,560 all over the place

307 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:42,580 so it is very

308 00:10:42,580 --> 00:10:43,500 refreshing to see

309 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:44,540 like in the case

310 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:45,220 of Ashley Madison

311 00:10:45,220 --> 00:10:46,900 where a competent person

312 00:10:46,900 --> 00:10:47,420 stepped in

313 00:10:47,420 --> 00:10:48,580 a person with technical background

314 00:10:48,580 --> 00:10:49,660 that is known by the community

315 00:10:49,660 --> 00:10:50,340 stepped in and said

316 00:10:50,340 --> 00:10:51,100 oh look

317 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:51,620 a problem

318 00:10:51,620 --> 00:10:52,460 and fixed it

319 00:10:52,460 --> 00:10:53,920 to which I applaud

320 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:54,660 I’m like that’s amazing

321 00:10:54,660 --> 00:10:56,140 I’m sure that this stuff

322 00:10:56,140 --> 00:10:57,200 happens behind the scenes

323 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,900 but this is the first occurrence

324 00:10:58,900 --> 00:11:00,040 that I have ever seen

325 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:00,900 of that happening

326 00:11:00,900 --> 00:11:01,860 in the public view

327 00:11:01,860 --> 00:11:03,100 where like some company

328 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:04,720 got completely railroaded

329 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:05,460 and then

330 00:11:05,460 --> 00:11:06,760 six months later

331 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:07,780 they were a fortress

332 00:11:07,780 --> 00:11:10,300 and all I can do

333 00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:10,720 is applaud

334 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:11,640 that must be work

335 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:12,220 yeah

336 00:11:12,220 --> 00:11:13,820 cool

337 00:11:13,820 --> 00:11:15,360 I think we should wrap it up there

338 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:15,700 yeah

339 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:16,460 sounds good

340 00:11:16,460 --> 00:11:17,840 Dan thank you so much

341 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:18,740 for speaking with us

342 00:11:18,740 --> 00:11:19,480 thank you for having me

343 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:20,260 it was a great talk

344 00:11:20,260 --> 00:11:21,660 we have one thing

345 00:11:21,660 --> 00:11:22,620 that we actually forgot

346 00:11:22,620 --> 00:11:24,080 we have shameless plug time

347 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:24,500 oh

348 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:25,340 where can we read

349 00:11:25,340 --> 00:11:26,360 or find more information

350 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:27,120 or is it something

351 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:27,920 you would like to plug

352 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:28,380 sure

353 00:11:28,380 --> 00:11:29,940 so I run

354 00:11:29,940 --> 00:11:30,960 a small security company

355 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,320 called Phobos Group

356 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:33,200 the domain is

357 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,540 phobos.io

358 00:11:34,540 --> 00:11:36,200 and we do

359 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,640 as I described on stage

360 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:38,800 we will be Russia at you

361 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:39,940 and we will be China at you

362 00:11:39,940 --> 00:11:41,000 for the purposes of simulation

363 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,200 but we also

364 00:11:42,220 --> 00:11:43,160 do a lot of remediation

365 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:43,840 and follow on work

366 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:44,880 not a lot of shops

367 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:45,800 that do what we do

368 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,120 do the follow on work

369 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:48,760 they’ll come in

370 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:49,440 and they’ll do an assessment

371 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:49,820 for you

372 00:11:49,820 --> 00:11:50,600 and they hand you a report

373 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:51,220 and they walk away

374 00:11:51,220 --> 00:11:52,740 we’ll hand you a report

375 00:11:52,740 --> 00:11:53,360 and say we’re willing

376 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,060 to bid on this work

377 00:11:54,060 --> 00:11:55,120 if you’re willing to have us

378 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,340 and we have

379 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:57,700 so far a really good track record

380 00:11:57,700 --> 00:11:58,500 for nailing down

381 00:11:58,500 --> 00:11:59,240 everything we find

382 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,580 and our long term customers

383 00:12:00,580 --> 00:12:01,420 year over year

384 00:12:01,420 --> 00:12:02,980 become fairly hardened

385 00:12:02,980 --> 00:12:03,980 we end up being

386 00:12:03,980 --> 00:12:04,900 their incident response people

387 00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:05,200 as well

388 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,460 so we

389 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:07,840 we stepped off

390 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,180 the path of compliance

391 00:12:09,180 --> 00:12:10,040 in its entirety

392 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:10,940 because our relief

393 00:12:10,940 --> 00:12:11,300 is that

394 00:12:11,300 --> 00:12:12,180 while compliance

395 00:12:12,180 --> 00:12:13,140 is legally required

396 00:12:13,140 --> 00:12:14,540 it should not be a model

397 00:12:14,540 --> 00:12:15,060 for anything

398 00:12:15,060 --> 00:12:16,160 except for just making

399 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:16,920 the auditors happy

400 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,560 so leave it that

401 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:19,360 like compliance

402 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:19,800 and security

403 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:20,680 are two different things

404 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:21,320 they should be treated

405 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,240 as two different things

406 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,520 like you should not

407 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,060 model your security practice

408 00:12:25,060 --> 00:12:26,420 on what the compliance

409 00:12:26,420 --> 00:12:27,680 people say it should be

410 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:28,460 you should

411 00:12:28,460 --> 00:12:29,400 look at your own

412 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:29,740 equipment

413 00:12:29,740 --> 00:12:31,240 and make it feel safe

414 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:32,360 and make it do what you want

415 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,080 and then

416 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,300 look and see

417 00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:35,140 is it compliant

418 00:12:35,140 --> 00:12:36,820 because 90% of the time

419 00:12:36,820 --> 00:12:37,500 it will be

420 00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:38,940 whatever you do

421 00:12:38,940 --> 00:12:40,000 if you’re

422 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:40,920 technical enough

423 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:41,540 and your abilities

424 00:12:41,540 --> 00:12:42,620 will be

425 00:12:42,620 --> 00:12:43,740 far and above

426 00:12:43,740 --> 00:12:44,880 beyond what the

427 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:45,620 compliance regulatory

428 00:12:45,620 --> 00:12:47,100 stuff asks for

429 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:48,520 so when the auditors

430 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:48,960 come around

431 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:49,780 like you don’t have to do

432 00:12:49,780 --> 00:12:50,360 extra work

433 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,000 to be compliant

434 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,100 you’re already compliant

435 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:52,560 because you did

436 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:53,480 good security work

437 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:54,580 and that’s our

438 00:12:54,580 --> 00:12:55,440 sort of mantra is

439 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:56,540 we’re going to do everything

440 00:12:56,540 --> 00:12:57,180 from the perspective

441 00:12:57,180 --> 00:12:57,820 of the attacker

442 00:12:57,820 --> 00:12:59,760 so we’re going to look

443 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:00,220 at your perimeter

444 00:13:00,220 --> 00:13:00,640 we’re going to look

445 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:01,120 at your land

446 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:01,820 we’re going to look

447 00:13:01,820 --> 00:13:02,640 at postures

448 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:02,980 we’re going to look

449 00:13:02,980 --> 00:13:03,340 at people

450 00:13:03,340 --> 00:13:04,020 we’re going to do

451 00:13:04,020 --> 00:13:04,680 social engineering

452 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:05,200 all that sort of stuff

453 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:05,900 from the perspective

454 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:06,460 of an attacker

455 00:13:06,460 --> 00:13:07,760 not from the perspective

456 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,060 of we’re going to make sure

457 00:13:09,060 --> 00:13:10,260 that you check all the boxes

458 00:13:10,260 --> 00:13:10,840 we’re going to say

459 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:11,540 like can people

460 00:13:11,540 --> 00:13:12,680 come in and steal from you

461 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:14,640 can people implant malware

462 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,160 can people do terrible things

463 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:17,400 because if you solve

464 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,560 all those real world problems

465 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:20,720 then everything else

466 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:21,120 is just

467 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,260 it’s a cascading win

468 00:13:22,260 --> 00:13:22,780 everything else

469 00:13:22,780 --> 00:13:23,760 just falls in line

470 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:24,800 that’s the stuff

471 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:25,600 you want to avoid anyway

472 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:26,600 exactly yeah

473 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:27,320 so the idea is

474 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:27,980 if you do it once

475 00:13:27,980 --> 00:13:28,620 and you do it right

476 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:29,300 you’re going to have

477 00:13:29,300 --> 00:13:29,980 a much better time

478 00:13:29,980 --> 00:13:31,120 you’ll sleep better at night

479 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:31,420 great

480 00:13:31,420 --> 00:13:32,420 cool

481 00:13:32,420 --> 00:13:32,900 fantastic

482 00:13:32,900 --> 00:13:33,660 thank you so much

483 00:13:33,660 --> 00:13:34,200 thanks again

484 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,640 hi and welcome

485 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,020 to Säkerhetspodcasten

486 00:13:38,020 --> 00:13:39,000 live-ish

487 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,120 on Säkti

488 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,520 we are sitting here

489 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,980 with Olle

490 00:13:42,980 --> 00:13:44,460 and Pasi

491 00:13:44,460 --> 00:13:46,240 who has just come off stage

492 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,360 talked about

493 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,660 cold boot attacks

494 00:13:48,660 --> 00:13:49,760 so

495 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:50,900 tell me more

496 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:52,280 well

497 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:53,260 yeah so

498 00:13:53,260 --> 00:13:55,260 cold boot attacks

499 00:13:55,260 --> 00:13:56,420 are a class of attacks

500 00:13:56,420 --> 00:13:57,260 that were discovered

501 00:13:57,260 --> 00:13:58,280 well

502 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,180 pretty much

503 00:13:59,180 --> 00:13:59,860 10 years ago

504 00:13:59,860 --> 00:14:00,820 in 2008

505 00:14:00,820 --> 00:14:02,360 and so people know

506 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:03,360 about the class of attacks

507 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:03,880 but

508 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,240 not many people

509 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,040 have actually tried

510 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:06,580 to use it

511 00:14:06,580 --> 00:14:07,900 in a real world scenario

512 00:14:07,900 --> 00:14:08,580 so

513 00:14:08,580 --> 00:14:09,460 that’s kind of

514 00:14:09,460 --> 00:14:10,020 what we’ve done

515 00:14:10,020 --> 00:14:10,880 and we’ve figured out

516 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:11,240 also

517 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:11,500 ways

518 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:12,200 that we can

519 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:12,240 kind of

520 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,560 defeating all of the

521 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:14,040 different

522 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,360 mitigations

523 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:15,780 that have been

524 00:14:15,780 --> 00:14:16,340 put in place

525 00:14:16,340 --> 00:14:17,220 during these 10 years

526 00:14:17,220 --> 00:14:18,120 to prevent

527 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,380 this type of attack

528 00:14:19,380 --> 00:14:20,100 in short

529 00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:21,300 what is a cold boot attack?

530 00:14:21,620 --> 00:14:22,900 so it’s about

531 00:14:22,900 --> 00:14:24,240 stealing secrets

532 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:25,000 out of the memory

533 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:25,640 of a computer

534 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,480 by rebooting it

535 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:28,820 and

536 00:14:28,820 --> 00:14:30,160 booting into

537 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,100 your own OS

538 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:31,680 or your own

539 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:32,240 software

540 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,720 that’s basically

541 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,340 what it is

542 00:14:34,340 --> 00:14:34,640 so

543 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,020 it’s because

544 00:14:36,020 --> 00:14:36,920 RAM chips

545 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:37,660 when you reboot

546 00:14:37,660 --> 00:14:38,100 a machine

547 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:39,060 they don’t lose

548 00:14:39,060 --> 00:14:39,660 the contents

549 00:14:39,660 --> 00:14:40,720 they actually

550 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:41,240 stick around

551 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:41,800 for a while

552 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:42,860 after the

553 00:14:42,860 --> 00:14:43,780 power is cut

554 00:14:43,780 --> 00:14:44,800 so

555 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:45,920 because of that

556 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,220 you actually have

557 00:14:47,220 --> 00:14:48,120 the contents

558 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,040 of the last boot

559 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:49,780 in memory

560 00:14:49,780 --> 00:14:50,960 when you do a reboot

561 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,040 that was actually

562 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,040 the thing that surprised me

563 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:53,400 the most

564 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:54,580 you were actually

565 00:14:54,580 --> 00:14:55,180 doing this

566 00:14:55,180 --> 00:14:56,380 live on stage

567 00:14:56,380 --> 00:14:56,820 of course

568 00:14:56,820 --> 00:14:58,560 with the spray can

569 00:14:58,560 --> 00:14:58,920 and all

570 00:14:58,920 --> 00:14:59,720 and I was

571 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:00,600 surprised at

572 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,000 the calmness

573 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:02,880 you didn’t really

574 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:03,860 have to stress it

575 00:15:03,860 --> 00:15:04,300 that much

576 00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:05,100 you could take

577 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:05,720 your time

578 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:06,400 and you sprayed

579 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:06,700 some

580 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:07,440 not that much

581 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,020 you just sprayed

582 00:15:08,020 --> 00:15:08,540 a couple of times

583 00:15:08,540 --> 00:15:09,600 and that

584 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:10,120 the

585 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:10,960 memory

586 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:11,760 contents

587 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:12,260 were there

588 00:15:12,260 --> 00:15:13,380 for such a long time

589 00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:14,540 that really surprised me

590 00:15:14,540 --> 00:15:15,000 yes

591 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:15,940 so the key is

592 00:15:15,940 --> 00:15:16,440 the

593 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:17,960 free spray

594 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,100 to lower

595 00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:19,700 the

596 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:21,120 temperature

597 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,140 of the RAM chips

598 00:15:22,140 --> 00:15:22,720 because then

599 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:23,520 the contents

600 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:24,060 stick around

601 00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:24,560 for longer

602 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:25,700 so how long

603 00:15:25,700 --> 00:15:26,400 would it stick around

604 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,160 if you don’t use

605 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:27,620 a free spray

606 00:15:27,620 --> 00:15:29,140 approximately

607 00:15:29,140 --> 00:15:29,900 we had issues

608 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:30,720 just rebooting

609 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,340 like at room temperature

610 00:15:32,340 --> 00:15:33,060 it depends

611 00:15:33,060 --> 00:15:34,820 like 10-20 seconds

612 00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:35,340 or something

613 00:15:35,340 --> 00:15:36,220 no no no

614 00:15:36,220 --> 00:15:36,720 not even that

615 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:37,740 like some seconds

616 00:15:37,740 --> 00:15:39,740 but only two sprays

617 00:15:39,740 --> 00:15:40,820 with spray cans

618 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:41,660 and you get

619 00:15:41,660 --> 00:15:42,380 up to a minute

620 00:15:42,380 --> 00:15:43,300 well

621 00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:44,360 we haven’t had

622 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,340 one minute perhaps

623 00:15:45,340 --> 00:15:46,280 but yeah

624 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,320 there are

625 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,120 academic papers

626 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,100 about

627 00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:51,260 exactly this problem

628 00:15:51,260 --> 00:15:52,420 how long does it

629 00:15:52,420 --> 00:15:52,860 stick around

630 00:15:52,860 --> 00:15:53,560 and how much

631 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:54,080 do you have to

632 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:54,520 freeze it

633 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:55,020 and all that

634 00:15:55,020 --> 00:15:55,300 stuff

635 00:15:55,300 --> 00:15:56,540 and they have

636 00:15:56,540 --> 00:15:57,420 seen in some

637 00:15:57,420 --> 00:15:57,820 cases

638 00:15:57,820 --> 00:15:58,320 some memory

639 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:58,820 technology

640 00:15:58,820 --> 00:15:59,400 when taken

641 00:15:59,400 --> 00:15:59,820 to a low

642 00:15:59,820 --> 00:16:00,200 temperature

643 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,640 actually remain

644 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:02,640 for up to a minute

645 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:03,400 but you know

646 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:04,960 you don’t need

647 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:05,240 a minute

648 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:05,700 to perform

649 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:06,080 the attack

650 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:06,440 basically

651 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,260 all you need

652 00:16:07,260 --> 00:16:07,860 you need to

653 00:16:07,860 --> 00:16:08,640 know it

654 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:08,980 so you

655 00:16:08,980 --> 00:16:09,800 perform it

656 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:10,340 correctly

657 00:16:10,340 --> 00:16:10,920 and

658 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,100 keep the pace

659 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:12,880 if you prepare

660 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:13,380 the attack

661 00:16:13,380 --> 00:16:13,640 yeah

662 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:14,200 you don’t need

663 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:14,560 a minute

664 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,660 so what was

665 00:16:15,660 --> 00:16:15,880 it like

666 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:16,540 30 seconds

667 00:16:16,540 --> 00:16:17,080 for your attack

668 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,540 from restart

669 00:16:18,540 --> 00:16:20,740 I’d say

670 00:16:20,740 --> 00:16:21,380 less

671 00:16:21,380 --> 00:16:22,280 the only

672 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:22,820 time

673 00:16:22,820 --> 00:16:23,420 essential

674 00:16:23,420 --> 00:16:23,980 thing

675 00:16:23,980 --> 00:16:24,600 is after

676 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:25,120 you plug

677 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:25,480 out the

678 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:25,800 power

679 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:26,680 and plug

680 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:27,100 it in

681 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:27,480 so

682 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,520 in our

683 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:29,280 demo

684 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:29,760 I think

685 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:30,500 we did it

686 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:31,460 in 5 seconds

687 00:16:31,460 --> 00:16:31,940 or less

688 00:16:31,940 --> 00:16:32,820 we could

689 00:16:32,820 --> 00:16:33,380 probably

690 00:16:33,380 --> 00:16:34,100 have tripled

691 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:35,000 that time

692 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:35,580 without any

693 00:16:35,580 --> 00:16:35,960 issues

694 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,020 but

695 00:16:37,020 --> 00:16:38,460 you still

696 00:16:38,460 --> 00:16:38,860 have the

697 00:16:38,860 --> 00:16:39,420 time to

698 00:16:39,420 --> 00:16:39,880 open the

699 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:40,120 case

700 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:40,360 and you

701 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:40,720 can look

702 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:41,120 at it

703 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,160 and plan

704 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:42,680 and prepare

705 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:43,160 so as soon

706 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:44,740 as power

707 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:45,460 the chips

708 00:16:45,460 --> 00:16:45,620 has

709 00:16:45,620 --> 00:16:45,960 power

710 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:46,420 it starts

711 00:16:46,420 --> 00:16:46,860 refreshing

712 00:16:46,860 --> 00:16:48,340 and the

713 00:16:48,340 --> 00:16:48,600 decay

714 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:49,020 stops

715 00:16:49,020 --> 00:16:49,300 well

716 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:49,840 at least

717 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:50,280 when you

718 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:50,500 press

719 00:16:50,500 --> 00:16:50,800 the power

720 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:51,040 button

721 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:51,400 to start

722 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:51,720 booting

723 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:52,060 it does

724 00:16:52,060 --> 00:16:53,200 so that’s

725 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:53,900 the time

726 00:16:53,900 --> 00:16:54,360 that’s

727 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:54,960 critical

728 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:55,740 is from

729 00:16:55,740 --> 00:16:56,160 you

730 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,360 power

731 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:57,600 down

732 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:57,760 the

733 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:58,040 machine

734 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:58,920 until

735 00:16:58,920 --> 00:16:59,700 it is

736 00:16:59,700 --> 00:16:59,960 alive

737 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:00,320 again

738 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:01,100 because

739 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:02,320 that’s

740 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:02,520 when

741 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:03,400 the RAM

742 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:03,560 chips

743 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:03,880 are not

744 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:04,260 powered

745 00:17:04,260 --> 00:17:04,760 so they

746 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:05,060 need to

747 00:17:05,060 --> 00:17:05,600 just keep

748 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:05,760 their

749 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:06,240 contents

750 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:06,560 by

751 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:06,920 themselves

752 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:07,880 like

753 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:08,800 Pasi

754 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:09,140 said

755 00:17:09,140 --> 00:17:10,380 we don’t

756 00:17:10,380 --> 00:17:10,540 need

757 00:17:10,540 --> 00:17:10,660 to

758 00:17:10,660 --> 00:17:10,920 rush

759 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,000 a couple

760 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:12,140 of

761 00:17:12,140 --> 00:17:12,460 seconds

762 00:17:12,460 --> 00:17:12,700 is

763 00:17:12,700 --> 00:17:12,960 more

764 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:13,120 than

765 00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:13,360 enough

766 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:13,480 to

767 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:13,740 perform

768 00:17:13,740 --> 00:17:13,900 it

769 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:14,800 and

770 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:14,980 you

771 00:17:14,980 --> 00:17:15,280 had

772 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:15,920 found

773 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:16,400 the

774 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,040 specification

775 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:17,400 of

776 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:17,540 the

777 00:17:17,540 --> 00:17:17,880 more

778 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:18,280 bit

779 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:18,740 which

780 00:17:18,740 --> 00:17:19,900 I’m

781 00:17:19,900 --> 00:17:20,200 fairly

782 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:20,440 sure

783 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:20,900 not

784 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:21,160 many

785 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:21,760 people

786 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:22,740 had

787 00:17:22,740 --> 00:17:23,040 heard

788 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:23,320 about

789 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:23,740 before

790 00:17:23,740 --> 00:17:24,100 that’s

791 00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:24,380 true

792 00:17:24,380 --> 00:17:24,580 I

793 00:17:24,580 --> 00:17:24,860 think

794 00:17:24,860 --> 00:17:26,460 it’s

795 00:17:26,460 --> 00:17:26,900 better

796 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:27,400 documented

797 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:27,700 now

798 00:17:27,700 --> 00:17:28,020 because

799 00:17:28,020 --> 00:17:28,300 after

800 00:17:28,300 --> 00:17:28,480 we

801 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:28,660 talked

802 00:17:28,660 --> 00:17:28,800 to

803 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:29,140 Microsoft

804 00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:29,500 they’ve

805 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:29,860 updated

806 00:17:29,860 --> 00:17:30,300 their

807 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:30,940 documentation

808 00:17:30,940 --> 00:17:31,340 online

809 00:17:31,340 --> 00:17:31,800 so

810 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:32,360 if

811 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:32,460 you

812 00:17:32,460 --> 00:17:32,700 look

813 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:33,160 at

814 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:33,920 if

815 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:34,020 you

816 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:34,260 google

817 00:17:34,260 --> 00:17:35,160 for

818 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,760 bitlocker

819 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:37,120 counter

820 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:37,520 measures

821 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:38,100 you’ll

822 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:38,260 get

823 00:17:38,260 --> 00:17:38,520 that

824 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:39,240 documentation

825 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:39,700 page

826 00:17:39,700 --> 00:17:39,960 that

827 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:40,480 explains

828 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:41,120 all

829 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:41,240 of

830 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:41,360 the

831 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:41,820 different

832 00:17:41,820 --> 00:17:43,000 security

833 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:43,860 features

834 00:17:43,860 --> 00:17:44,040 and

835 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:44,180 all

836 00:17:44,180 --> 00:17:44,300 the

837 00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:44,500 different

838 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:44,900 attacks

839 00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:45,240 against

840 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:45,760 bitlocker

841 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:45,960 that

842 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:46,060 are

843 00:17:46,060 --> 00:17:46,420 possible

844 00:17:46,420 --> 00:17:47,260 and

845 00:17:47,260 --> 00:17:47,420 this

846 00:17:47,420 --> 00:17:47,700 more

847 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:47,900 bit

848 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:48,180 is

849 00:17:48,180 --> 00:17:48,740 more

850 00:17:48,740 --> 00:17:49,060 stands

851 00:17:49,060 --> 00:17:49,240 for

852 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:49,540 memory

853 00:17:49,540 --> 00:17:49,900 override

854 00:17:49,900 --> 00:17:50,340 request

855 00:17:50,340 --> 00:17:50,680 and

856 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:50,860 it’s

857 00:17:50,860 --> 00:17:51,000 a

858 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:51,260 way

859 00:17:51,260 --> 00:17:51,560 for

860 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:51,720 the

861 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:52,680 operating

862 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:53,160 system

863 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:53,400 to

864 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:53,780 signal

865 00:17:53,780 --> 00:17:54,500 to

866 00:17:54,500 --> 00:17:54,660 the

867 00:17:54,660 --> 00:17:54,980 BIOS

868 00:17:54,980 --> 00:17:55,100 or

869 00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:55,220 the

870 00:17:55,220 --> 00:17:55,480 firmware

871 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:56,500 that

872 00:17:56,500 --> 00:17:57,080 it

873 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:57,220 has

874 00:17:57,220 --> 00:17:57,380 been

875 00:17:57,380 --> 00:17:57,640 shut

876 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:57,820 down

877 00:17:57,820 --> 00:17:58,240 correctly

878 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:58,480 and

879 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:58,600 it

880 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:58,820 has

881 00:17:58,820 --> 00:17:59,240 cleared

882 00:17:59,240 --> 00:17:59,920 contents

883 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:00,580 of

884 00:18:00,580 --> 00:18:01,840 memory

885 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:02,320 so

886 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:02,540 that

887 00:18:02,540 --> 00:18:02,840 it’s

888 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:03,180 safe

889 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:03,900 to

890 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:05,060 reboot

891 00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:05,700 without

892 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:06,580 wiping

893 00:18:06,580 --> 00:18:06,980 memory

894 00:18:06,980 --> 00:18:07,280 and

895 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:07,960 if

896 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:08,200 it

897 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:08,580 detect

898 00:18:08,580 --> 00:18:08,900 if

899 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:09,040 the

900 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:09,440 firmware

901 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:10,480 detects

902 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:10,680 through

903 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:11,000 this

904 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:11,400 more

905 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:11,640 bit

906 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:12,100 that

907 00:18:12,100 --> 00:18:12,960 the

908 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:13,280 OS

909 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:13,840 hasn’t

910 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:14,180 performed

911 00:18:14,180 --> 00:18:14,320 a

912 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:14,480 clean

913 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:14,800 shutdown

914 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:15,760 it

915 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:16,040 knows

916 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:16,260 there

917 00:18:16,260 --> 00:18:16,480 might

918 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:16,760 be

919 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:17,180 secrets

920 00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:17,340 in

921 00:18:17,340 --> 00:18:17,580 memory

922 00:18:17,580 --> 00:18:18,320 and

923 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:18,880 it’s

924 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:19,160 supposed

925 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:19,980 to

926 00:18:19,980 --> 00:18:20,640 override

927 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:20,800 the

928 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:20,940 whole

929 00:18:20,940 --> 00:18:21,180 memory

930 00:18:21,180 --> 00:18:21,380 with

931 00:18:21,380 --> 00:18:21,660 zeros

932 00:18:21,660 --> 00:18:21,900 just

933 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:22,040 to

934 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:22,240 wipe

935 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:22,460 away

936 00:18:22,460 --> 00:18:22,680 any

937 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:23,060 secrets

938 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:23,540 and

939 00:18:23,540 --> 00:18:23,800 that’s

940 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:24,000 the

941 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:24,500 feature

942 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:24,700 that

943 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:24,820 we

944 00:18:24,820 --> 00:18:25,500 bypassed

945 00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:25,740 by

946 00:18:25,740 --> 00:18:26,680 directly

947 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,260 changing

948 00:18:28,260 --> 00:18:28,480 the

949 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:28,720 value

950 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:29,000 of

951 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:29,240 this

952 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:29,740 variable

953 00:18:29,740 --> 00:18:30,820 in

954 00:18:30,820 --> 00:18:31,260 the

955 00:18:31,260 --> 00:18:31,500 flash

956 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:31,700 chip

957 00:18:31,700 --> 00:18:31,900 that

958 00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:32,200 stores

959 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:32,580 the

960 00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:33,120 firmware

961 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:33,280 and

962 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:33,440 firmware

963 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:33,860 settings

964 00:18:33,860 --> 00:18:34,520 isn’t

965 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:34,640 that

966 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:34,780 some

967 00:18:34,780 --> 00:18:35,020 sort

968 00:18:35,020 --> 00:18:35,200 of

969 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:35,380 race

970 00:18:35,380 --> 00:18:35,720 condition

971 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:35,940 there

972 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,080 the

973 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:40,340 boot

974 00:18:40,340 --> 00:18:40,680 actually

975 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:41,200 performs

976 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:41,540 and

977 00:18:41,540 --> 00:18:41,920 reads

978 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:42,040 the

979 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:42,300 value

980 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:43,160 in

981 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:43,580 this

982 00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:43,880 case

983 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:44,140 it

984 00:18:44,140 --> 00:18:44,420 was

985 00:18:44,420 --> 00:18:45,140 that

986 00:18:45,140 --> 00:18:46,020 sometimes

987 00:18:46,020 --> 00:18:47,020 you

988 00:18:47,020 --> 00:18:47,220 can

989 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:47,620 actually

990 00:18:47,620 --> 00:18:48,220 reprogram

991 00:18:48,220 --> 00:18:48,380 the

992 00:18:48,380 --> 00:18:48,720 flash

993 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:49,440 chip

994 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:49,720 when

995 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:49,940 the

996 00:18:49,940 --> 00:18:50,200 computer

997 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:50,340 is

998 00:18:50,340 --> 00:18:50,580 sleeping

999 00:18:50,580 --> 00:18:51,920 but

1000 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,340 with

1001 00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:52,540 this

1002 00:18:52,540 --> 00:18:52,940 particular

1003 00:18:52,940 --> 00:18:53,220 model

1004 00:18:53,220 --> 00:18:53,360 we

1005 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:53,500 had

1006 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:53,780 issues

1007 00:18:53,780 --> 00:18:53,980 with

1008 00:18:53,980 --> 00:18:54,160 that

1009 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:54,440 so

1010 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:54,640 we

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1012 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:55,140 did

1013 00:18:55,140 --> 00:18:55,400 it

1014 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:55,900 when

1015 00:18:55,900 --> 00:18:56,140 the

1016 00:18:56,140 --> 00:18:56,600 machine

1017 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:56,760 was

1018 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:56,960 powered

1019 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:57,160 off

1020 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,820 but

1021 00:18:58,820 --> 00:19:00,180 writing

1022 00:19:00,180 --> 00:19:00,380 to

1023 00:19:00,380 --> 00:19:00,580 this

1024 00:19:00,580 --> 00:19:00,900 flash

1025 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:01,200 chip

1026 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:01,960 reading

1027 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:02,640 from

1028 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:02,760 it

1029 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:02,860 and

1030 00:19:02,860 --> 00:19:04,280 manipulating

1031 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:04,620 the

1032 00:19:04,620 --> 00:19:05,020 variables

1033 00:19:05,020 --> 00:19:06,180 it’s

1034 00:19:06,180 --> 00:19:06,300 in

1035 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:06,580 computer

1036 00:19:06,580 --> 00:19:06,880 time

1037 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:07,220 not

1038 00:19:07,220 --> 00:19:07,400 in

1039 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:07,600 people

1040 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:07,940 time

1041 00:19:07,940 --> 00:19:08,460 so

1042 00:19:08,460 --> 00:19:08,960 it

1043 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:09,360 is

1044 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:09,560 sub

1045 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:09,880 second

1046 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:10,280 it’s

1047 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:10,480 very

1048 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:10,720 very

1049 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:10,880 quick

1050 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,080 it’s

1051 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:16,720 a

1052 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:16,880 very

1053 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:17,280 fast

1054 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:17,720 SPI

1055 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:18,040 flash

1056 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:18,280 chip

1057 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:18,540 because

1058 00:19:18,540 --> 00:19:18,700 you

1059 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:18,920 want

1060 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:19,080 it

1061 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:19,180 to

1062 00:19:19,180 --> 00:19:19,300 be

1063 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:19,440 able

1064 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:19,620 to

1065 00:19:19,620 --> 00:19:19,940 read

1066 00:19:19,940 --> 00:19:20,260 the

1067 00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:20,600 firmware

1068 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:20,800 and

1069 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,000 boot

1070 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:21,420 quickly

1071 00:19:21,420 --> 00:19:21,920 so

1072 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:22,060 it

1073 00:19:22,060 --> 00:19:22,460 supports

1074 00:19:22,460 --> 00:19:23,100 150

1075 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:23,700 megahertz

1076 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:24,760 serial

1077 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:25,380 communication

1078 00:19:25,380 --> 00:19:25,760 so

1079 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:25,920 did

1080 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:26,300 your

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1082 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,620 is

1083 00:19:29,620 --> 00:19:29,760 the

1084 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:30,040 system

1085 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:30,420 flash

1086 00:19:30,420 --> 00:19:30,720 right

1087 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:31,560 which

1088 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:32,200 holds

1089 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:32,700 stores

1090 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:32,860 the

1091 00:19:32,860 --> 00:19:33,140 bios

1092 00:19:33,140 --> 00:19:33,440 and

1093 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,900 everything

1094 00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:36,260 else

1095 00:19:36,260 --> 00:19:36,800 code

1096 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,180 etc

1097 00:19:38,180 --> 00:19:38,940 exactly

1098 00:19:38,940 --> 00:19:39,600 you

1099 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:39,820 have

1100 00:19:39,820 --> 00:19:40,180 firmware

1101 00:19:40,180 --> 00:19:40,460 there

1102 00:19:40,460 --> 00:19:40,940 for

1103 00:19:40,940 --> 00:19:41,500 the

1104 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:41,820 management

1105 00:19:41,820 --> 00:19:42,340 engine

1106 00:19:42,340 --> 00:19:43,160 firmware

1107 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:43,420 there

1108 00:19:43,420 --> 00:19:43,820 for

1109 00:19:43,820 --> 00:19:44,220 the

1110 00:19:44,220 --> 00:19:45,080 intel

1111 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:45,800 gigabyte

1112 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:46,200 ethernet

1113 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:46,700 chipset

1114 00:19:46,700 --> 00:19:46,880 you

1115 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:47,200 have

1116 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:47,920 all

1117 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:48,040 of

1118 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:48,160 this

1119 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:48,340 stuff

1120 00:19:48,340 --> 00:19:48,500 is

1121 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:48,680 stored

1122 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:48,820 in

1123 00:19:48,820 --> 00:19:48,940 the

1124 00:19:48,940 --> 00:19:49,100 same

1125 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:49,360 flash

1126 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:49,560 chip

1127 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:49,720 on

1128 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,000 most

1129 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:50,580 machines

1130 00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:51,120 sometimes

1131 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:51,500 it’s

1132 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:51,720 split

1133 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:52,020 between

1134 00:19:52,020 --> 00:19:52,260 two

1135 00:19:52,260 --> 00:19:52,580 flash

1136 00:19:52,580 --> 00:19:52,860 chips

1137 00:19:52,860 --> 00:19:53,500 probably

1138 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:53,800 because

1139 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:53,920 it

1140 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:54,040 was

1141 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:54,320 cheaper

1142 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:54,560 with

1143 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:54,720 two

1144 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:54,940 than

1145 00:19:54,940 --> 00:19:55,160 one

1146 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:55,320 big

1147 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:55,520 one

1148 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:55,760 but

1149 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:56,100 yeah

1150 00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:56,660 one

1151 00:19:56,660 --> 00:19:57,240 thing

1152 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:57,560 I was

1153 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:57,760 really

1154 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:58,080 wondering

1155 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:58,380 about

1156 00:19:58,380 --> 00:19:58,880 was

1157 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,300 you

1158 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:00,520 have

1159 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:00,740 the

1160 00:20:00,740 --> 00:20:01,160 things

1161 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:01,480 which

1162 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:02,020 are

1163 00:20:02,020 --> 00:20:02,780 UEFI

1164 00:20:02,780 --> 00:20:03,300 settings

1165 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:04,260 and

1166 00:20:04,260 --> 00:20:04,440 you

1167 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:04,680 talked

1168 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:04,900 about

1169 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:05,260 UEFI

1170 00:20:05,260 --> 00:20:05,640 VARs

1171 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:06,020 is

1172 00:20:06,020 --> 00:20:06,260 this

1173 00:20:06,260 --> 00:20:06,440 the

1174 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:06,680 same

1175 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:07,160 thing

1176 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,780 or

1177 00:20:08,780 --> 00:20:09,640 is

1178 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:09,900 it

1179 00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:10,140 two

1180 00:20:10,140 --> 00:20:10,620 different

1181 00:20:10,620 --> 00:20:10,940 kind

1182 00:20:10,940 --> 00:20:11,080 of

1183 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:11,360 settings

1184 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:11,760 variables

1185 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:12,620 are

1186 00:20:12,620 --> 00:20:13,780 a

1187 00:20:13,780 --> 00:20:13,940 more

1188 00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:14,340 general

1189 00:20:14,340 --> 00:20:15,280 technology

1190 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:15,960 but

1191 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:16,480 those

1192 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:16,920 variables

1193 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:17,160 are

1194 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:17,420 used

1195 00:20:17,420 --> 00:20:17,620 to

1196 00:20:17,620 --> 00:20:17,880 store

1197 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:18,080 the

1198 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:18,960 biosettings

1199 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:19,580 so

1200 00:20:19,580 --> 00:20:20,600 it’s

1201 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:21,100 practically

1202 00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:21,380 the

1203 00:20:21,380 --> 00:20:21,580 same

1204 00:20:21,580 --> 00:20:21,800 thing

1205 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:21,980 but

1206 00:20:21,980 --> 00:20:22,120 there

1207 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:22,220 are

1208 00:20:22,220 --> 00:20:22,400 more

1209 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:22,660 stuff

1210 00:20:22,660 --> 00:20:22,980 stored

1211 00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:23,120 there

1212 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:23,580 because

1213 00:20:23,580 --> 00:20:23,880 the

1214 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:24,560 thing

1215 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:24,880 I was

1216 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:25,180 wondering

1217 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:25,600 was

1218 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,160 you

1219 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:26,480 have

1220 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:26,740 these

1221 00:20:26,740 --> 00:20:27,320 PCR

1222 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:28,020 settings

1223 00:20:28,020 --> 00:20:28,500 which

1224 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:29,360 reflect

1225 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:30,340 boot

1226 00:20:30,340 --> 00:20:30,700 state

1227 00:20:30,700 --> 00:20:31,140 yes

1228 00:20:31,140 --> 00:20:32,200 and

1229 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:32,420 I was

1230 00:20:32,420 --> 00:20:32,720 wondering

1231 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:32,980 this

1232 00:20:32,980 --> 00:20:33,780 morbid

1233 00:20:33,780 --> 00:20:34,160 can’t

1234 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:34,440 really

1235 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:34,880 measure

1236 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:34,900 the

1237 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:35,320 speed

1238 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:35,800 exactly

1239 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:36,140 yeah

1240 00:20:36,140 --> 00:20:36,580 so

1241 00:20:36,580 --> 00:20:36,900 some

1242 00:20:36,900 --> 00:20:37,620 settings

1243 00:20:37,620 --> 00:20:38,260 are

1244 00:20:38,260 --> 00:20:38,640 hard

1245 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:38,980 to

1246 00:20:38,980 --> 00:20:39,300 do

1247 00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:39,660 integrity

1248 00:20:39,660 --> 00:20:40,080 protection

1249 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:40,280 on

1250 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:40,540 because

1251 00:20:40,540 --> 00:20:40,740 they’re

1252 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:41,040 supposed

1253 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:41,160 to

1254 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:41,440 change

1255 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:42,000 and

1256 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:42,200 this

1257 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:42,320 is

1258 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:42,640 exactly

1259 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:42,880 one

1260 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:43,000 of

1261 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:43,160 those

1262 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:43,440 settings

1263 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:43,720 and

1264 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:44,040 morbid

1265 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:44,180 is

1266 00:20:44,180 --> 00:20:44,440 supposed

1267 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:44,620 to

1268 00:20:44,620 --> 00:20:44,940 change

1269 00:20:44,940 --> 00:20:45,500 and

1270 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:45,660 so

1271 00:20:45,660 --> 00:20:45,780 you

1272 00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:46,000 can’t

1273 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:46,220 really

1274 00:20:46,220 --> 00:20:46,860 include

1275 00:20:46,860 --> 00:20:47,040 it

1276 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:47,240 in

1277 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:47,560 any

1278 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:47,900 of

1279 00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:48,160 these

1280 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:48,560 integrity

1281 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:49,100 protections

1282 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:49,460 yeah

1283 00:20:49,460 --> 00:20:49,820 that

1284 00:20:49,820 --> 00:20:50,080 was

1285 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:50,340 my

1286 00:20:50,340 --> 00:20:50,840 question

1287 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:51,060 and

1288 00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:51,840 I

1289 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:52,160 thought

1290 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:52,540 exactly

1291 00:20:52,540 --> 00:20:52,760 like

1292 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:53,020 that

1293 00:20:53,020 --> 00:20:53,720 this

1294 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:54,660 ought

1295 00:20:54,660 --> 00:20:54,760 to

1296 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:54,880 be

1297 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:55,300 protected

1298 00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:55,680 but

1299 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:55,880 then

1300 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:56,020 it

1301 00:20:56,020 --> 00:20:56,160 will

1302 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:56,620 break

1303 00:20:56,620 --> 00:20:57,880 everything

1304 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:58,400 exactly

1305 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:58,700 so

1306 00:20:58,700 --> 00:20:59,200 that’s

1307 00:20:59,200 --> 00:20:59,540 what

1308 00:20:59,540 --> 00:21:00,400 Mattias

1309 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:00,580 was

1310 00:21:00,580 --> 00:21:00,880 hinting

1311 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:01,120 about

1312 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:01,320 on

1313 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:01,740 stage

1314 00:21:01,740 --> 00:21:02,020 at

1315 00:21:02,020 --> 00:21:02,200 the

1316 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:02,400 end

1317 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:02,500 of

1318 00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:02,620 the

1319 00:21:02,620 --> 00:21:02,940 Q&A

1320 00:21:02,940 --> 00:21:03,240 session

1321 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:03,420 is

1322 00:21:03,420 --> 00:21:03,580 like

1323 00:21:03,580 --> 00:21:03,920 you

1324 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:04,220 don’t

1325 00:21:04,220 --> 00:21:04,440 want

1326 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:04,660 as

1327 00:21:04,660 --> 00:21:04,800 a

1328 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:05,040 BIOS

1329 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:05,300 vendor

1330 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:05,560 or

1331 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:05,720 a

1332 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:05,960 laptop

1333 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:06,300 vendor

1334 00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:06,780 to

1335 00:21:06,780 --> 00:21:07,040 make

1336 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:07,340 it

1337 00:21:07,340 --> 00:21:07,840 possible

1338 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:08,140 for

1339 00:21:08,140 --> 00:21:08,360 a

1340 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:08,560 user

1341 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:08,760 to

1342 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:08,940 break

1343 00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:09,100 their

1344 00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:09,420 machine

1345 00:21:09,420 --> 00:21:09,880 so

1346 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:10,020 you

1347 00:21:10,020 --> 00:21:10,240 don’t

1348 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:10,520 want

1349 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:10,880 too

1350 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:11,340 strong

1351 00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:11,860 security

1352 00:21:11,860 --> 00:21:12,440 that

1353 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:12,780 leaves

1354 00:21:12,780 --> 00:21:12,960 it

1355 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:13,120 in

1356 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:13,380 a

1357 00:21:13,380 --> 00:21:13,620 state

1358 00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:13,800 that

1359 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:13,920 the

1360 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:14,100 user

1361 00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:14,440 can’t

1362 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:14,680 recover

1363 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:15,000 from

1364 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:15,680 and

1365 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:15,920 that’s

1366 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:16,080 a

1367 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:16,240 good

1368 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:16,560 example

1369 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:16,740 of

1370 00:21:16,740 --> 00:21:16,900 that

1371 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:17,020 you

1372 00:21:17,020 --> 00:21:17,200 don’t

1373 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:17,480 want

1374 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:17,700 to

1375 00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:17,980 have

1376 00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:19,120 certain

1377 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:19,480 things

1378 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:19,860 integrity

1379 00:21:19,860 --> 00:21:20,300 protected

1380 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,440 no

1381 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:31,920 basically

1382 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:32,420 we

1383 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:33,040 unplug

1384 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:33,880 the

1385 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:34,380 machine

1386 00:21:34,380 --> 00:21:34,960 and

1387 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:35,140 then

1388 00:21:35,140 --> 00:21:35,460 we

1389 00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:36,020 put

1390 00:21:36,020 --> 00:21:36,260 on

1391 00:21:36,260 --> 00:21:36,420 the

1392 00:21:36,420 --> 00:21:36,780 programmer

1393 00:21:36,780 --> 00:21:37,120 and

1394 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:37,260 then

1395 00:21:37,260 --> 00:21:37,540 we

1396 00:21:37,540 --> 00:21:38,000 actually

1397 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:38,520 program

1398 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,040 like

1399 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:39,220 we

1400 00:21:39,220 --> 00:21:39,540 power

1401 00:21:39,540 --> 00:21:39,800 on

1402 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:39,940 the

1403 00:21:39,940 --> 00:21:40,200 chip

1404 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,460 remotely

1405 00:21:41,460 --> 00:21:42,000 and

1406 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:42,740 then

1407 00:21:42,740 --> 00:21:42,880 you

1408 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:43,080 power

1409 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:43,300 on

1410 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:43,460 the

1411 00:21:43,460 --> 00:21:43,840 system

1412 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,220 on

1413 00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:45,500 some

1414 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:45,900 machines

1415 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:46,280 actually

1416 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:46,580 we

1417 00:21:46,580 --> 00:21:46,860 were

1418 00:21:46,860 --> 00:21:47,220 able

1419 00:21:47,220 --> 00:21:47,480 to

1420 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:47,900 program

1421 00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:48,140 the

1422 00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:48,400 chip

1423 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:48,800 while

1424 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:48,980 it

1425 00:21:48,980 --> 00:21:49,200 was

1426 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:49,720 booted

1427 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:50,420 so

1428 00:21:50,420 --> 00:21:50,700 we

1429 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:51,040 had

1430 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:51,440 no

1431 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:51,820 rush

1432 00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:52,000 at

1433 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:52,360 all

1434 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:52,700 to

1435 00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:53,060 modify

1436 00:21:53,060 --> 00:21:53,140 lots

1437 00:21:53,140 --> 00:21:53,320 of

1438 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:53,620 time

1439 00:21:53,620 --> 00:21:54,180 yeah

1440 00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:54,940 okay

1441 00:21:54,940 --> 00:21:55,180 so

1442 00:21:55,180 --> 00:21:55,340 that

1443 00:21:55,340 --> 00:21:55,560 was

1444 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:55,960 part

1445 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:56,060 of

1446 00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:56,200 your

1447 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:56,520 critical

1448 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:56,920 path

1449 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,120 then

1450 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:57,220 you

1451 00:21:57,220 --> 00:21:57,340 had

1452 00:21:57,340 --> 00:21:57,460 to

1453 00:21:57,460 --> 00:21:57,680 power

1454 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,080 off

1455 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:58,880 program

1456 00:21:58,880 --> 00:21:59,880 and

1457 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:00,060 then

1458 00:22:00,060 --> 00:22:00,300 power

1459 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:00,540 on

1460 00:22:00,540 --> 00:22:00,700 that

1461 00:22:00,700 --> 00:22:01,060 depends

1462 00:22:01,060 --> 00:22:01,320 a bit

1463 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:01,480 on

1464 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:01,620 the

1465 00:22:01,620 --> 00:22:01,960 hardware

1466 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,580 layout

1467 00:22:02,580 --> 00:22:02,880 of

1468 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:03,000 the

1469 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:03,360 particular

1470 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:03,760 model

1471 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:04,300 so

1472 00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:04,460 in

1473 00:22:04,460 --> 00:22:04,660 this

1474 00:22:04,660 --> 00:22:04,860 case

1475 00:22:04,860 --> 00:22:05,000 the

1476 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:05,180 model

1477 00:22:05,180 --> 00:22:05,380 we

1478 00:22:05,380 --> 00:22:05,660 demo

1479 00:22:05,660 --> 00:22:06,000 done

1480 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,000 we

1481 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:07,260 had

1482 00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:07,820 problems

1483 00:22:07,820 --> 00:22:08,300 actually

1484 00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:09,100 reflashing

1485 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:09,380 it

1486 00:22:09,380 --> 00:22:09,620 while

1487 00:22:09,620 --> 00:22:09,740 it

1488 00:22:09,740 --> 00:22:09,860 was

1489 00:22:09,860 --> 00:22:10,120 running

1490 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:10,300 so

1491 00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:10,440 we

1492 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:10,580 had

1493 00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:10,720 to

1494 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:10,900 shut

1495 00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:11,000 it

1496 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:11,180 off

1497 00:22:11,180 --> 00:22:11,400 and

1498 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:11,520 do

1499 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:11,640 it

1500 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:11,920 but

1501 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,500 like

1502 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:12,640 we

1503 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:12,860 said

1504 00:22:12,860 --> 00:22:13,280 the

1505 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:13,580 tool

1506 00:22:13,580 --> 00:22:13,940 can

1507 00:22:13,940 --> 00:22:14,200 speak

1508 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:14,500 pretty

1509 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:14,880 quickly

1510 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:15,100 over

1511 00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:15,220 the

1512 00:22:15,220 --> 00:22:15,540 SPI

1513 00:22:15,540 --> 00:22:15,800 bus

1514 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:16,380 so

1515 00:22:16,380 --> 00:22:16,580 it’s

1516 00:22:16,580 --> 00:22:16,740 not

1517 00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:16,880 an

1518 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:17,160 issue

1519 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:17,700 of

1520 00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:18,040 time

1521 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,020 we

1522 00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:19,200 have

1523 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:19,460 lots

1524 00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:19,620 of

1525 00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:19,840 time

1526 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:19,980 to

1527 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:20,360 actually

1528 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:21,740 attach

1529 00:22:21,740 --> 00:22:21,960 the

1530 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:22,220 test

1531 00:22:22,220 --> 00:22:22,480 clip

1532 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:22,740 to

1533 00:22:22,740 --> 00:22:23,420 the

1534 00:22:23,420 --> 00:22:23,860 SPI

1535 00:22:23,860 --> 00:22:24,160 flash

1536 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:24,460 chip

1537 00:22:24,460 --> 00:22:25,280 and

1538 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:25,920 then

1539 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:26,080 the

1540 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:26,260 tool

1541 00:22:26,260 --> 00:22:26,500 just

1542 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:26,720 does

1543 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:26,920 its

1544 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:27,200 thing

1545 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:27,480 in

1546 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,040 under

1547 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:28,200 a

1548 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:28,440 second

1549 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:29,920 and

1550 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:30,140 what

1551 00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:30,500 you

1552 00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:30,960 demonstrate

1553 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,320 you

1554 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,740 circumvent

1555 00:22:32,740 --> 00:22:33,360 basically

1556 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:34,320 bitlocker

1557 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:34,900 with

1558 00:22:34,900 --> 00:22:35,280 the

1559 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:35,580 user

1560 00:22:35,580 --> 00:22:36,080 entering

1561 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:36,520 a

1562 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:36,720 pin

1563 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,420 the

1564 00:22:37,420 --> 00:22:37,640 thing

1565 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:37,900 is

1566 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:38,300 that

1567 00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:39,020 we

1568 00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:39,340 what

1569 00:22:39,340 --> 00:22:39,480 we

1570 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:39,760 actually

1571 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:39,980 do

1572 00:22:39,980 --> 00:22:40,080 in

1573 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:40,180 the

1574 00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:40,460 attack

1575 00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:40,700 is

1576 00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:40,860 we

1577 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:41,320 steal

1578 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:41,720 the

1579 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:42,060 encryption

1580 00:22:42,060 --> 00:22:42,340 keys

1581 00:22:42,340 --> 00:22:42,520 from

1582 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:42,800 memory

1583 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,700 which

1584 00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:43,960 means

1585 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:44,100 that

1586 00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:44,200 we

1587 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:44,320 can

1588 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:44,600 unlock

1589 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:44,740 the

1590 00:22:44,740 --> 00:22:44,920 hard

1591 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:45,160 drive

1592 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:45,320 when

1593 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:45,460 we

1594 00:22:45,460 --> 00:22:45,760 want

1595 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,220 anytime

1596 00:22:46,220 --> 00:22:47,020 how

1597 00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:47,220 many

1598 00:22:47,220 --> 00:22:47,580 times

1599 00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:47,740 we

1600 00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:47,920 want

1601 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:48,080 to

1602 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:48,860 but

1603 00:22:48,860 --> 00:22:50,380 we

1604 00:22:50,380 --> 00:22:50,660 only

1605 00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:50,900 have

1606 00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:51,200 one

1607 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:51,580 shot

1608 00:22:51,580 --> 00:22:51,860 at

1609 00:22:51,860 --> 00:22:52,240 performing

1610 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:52,460 the

1611 00:22:52,460 --> 00:22:52,800 attack

1612 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:53,220 if

1613 00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:53,580 the

1614 00:22:53,580 --> 00:22:53,920 user

1615 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:54,400 has

1616 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:54,980 configured

1617 00:22:54,980 --> 00:22:55,640 or

1618 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:55,820 the

1619 00:22:55,820 --> 00:22:56,100 users

1620 00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:56,440 IT

1621 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:56,900 department

1622 00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:57,100 I

1623 00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:57,260 should

1624 00:22:57,260 --> 00:22:57,520 say

1625 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:57,940 have

1626 00:22:57,940 --> 00:22:58,480 configured

1627 00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,000 the

1628 00:22:59,000 --> 00:22:59,380 bitlocker

1629 00:22:59,380 --> 00:22:59,600 pin

1630 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,020 feature

1631 00:23:00,020 --> 00:23:01,020 that

1632 00:23:01,020 --> 00:23:01,480 requires

1633 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:01,700 a

1634 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:02,080 password

1635 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:02,300 or

1636 00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:02,440 a

1637 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:02,560 pin

1638 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:02,900 number

1639 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:03,300 to

1640 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:03,420 be

1641 00:23:03,420 --> 00:23:03,720 entered

1642 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,200 before

1643 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:04,400 the

1644 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:04,620 OS

1645 00:23:04,620 --> 00:23:04,880 boots

1646 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,040 up

1647 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:05,560 otherwise

1648 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,180 we

1649 00:23:08,180 --> 00:23:08,340 could

1650 00:23:08,340 --> 00:23:08,520 try

1651 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:08,620 as

1652 00:23:08,620 --> 00:23:08,800 many

1653 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:09,080 times

1654 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:09,240 we

1655 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:09,520 wanted

1656 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:09,860 and

1657 00:23:09,860 --> 00:23:10,340 that’s

1658 00:23:10,340 --> 00:23:10,480 what

1659 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:10,660 we

1660 00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:10,860 did

1661 00:23:10,860 --> 00:23:11,240 basically

1662 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:11,540 when

1663 00:23:11,540 --> 00:23:12,440 developing

1664 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:12,660 this

1665 00:23:12,660 --> 00:23:12,940 attack

1666 00:23:12,940 --> 00:23:13,240 was

1667 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:13,820 we

1668 00:23:13,820 --> 00:23:14,100 just

1669 00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:14,820 rebooted

1670 00:23:14,820 --> 00:23:15,080 until

1671 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:15,240 it

1672 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:15,520 worked

1673 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:16,320 so

1674 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:16,920 yeah

1675 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,740 if

1676 00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:20,980 you

1677 00:23:20,980 --> 00:23:21,280 wouldn’t

1678 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:21,560 have

1679 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:21,840 the

1680 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:22,040 user

1681 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:22,300 pin

1682 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:24,420 then

1683 00:23:24,420 --> 00:23:26,280 there

1684 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:26,440 would

1685 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:26,880 also

1686 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:27,020 be

1687 00:23:27,020 --> 00:23:27,300 other

1688 00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:27,720 hardware

1689 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:28,080 attacks

1690 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:28,280 right

1691 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:28,440 you

1692 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:28,800 could

1693 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,480 monitor

1694 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,100 the

1695 00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:31,140 TPM

1696 00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:31,860 SPI

1697 00:23:31,860 --> 00:23:32,600 there

1698 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:33,060 are

1699 00:23:33,060 --> 00:23:33,360 several

1700 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:33,740 different

1701 00:23:33,740 --> 00:23:34,060 ways

1702 00:23:34,060 --> 00:23:34,200 of

1703 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:34,440 getting

1704 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:34,900 at

1705 00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:35,300 the

1706 00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:35,600 encryption

1707 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:35,960 keys

1708 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:36,740 but

1709 00:23:36,740 --> 00:23:37,500 this

1710 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:38,400 seemed

1711 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:38,620 like

1712 00:23:38,620 --> 00:23:38,760 the

1713 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:39,080 easiest

1714 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,340 so

1715 00:23:40,340 --> 00:23:40,600 that’s

1716 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:40,740 why

1717 00:23:40,740 --> 00:23:40,920 we

1718 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,120 chose

1719 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:41,300 it

1720 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:41,800 and

1721 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:41,960 it

1722 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:42,400 works

1723 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,280 even

1724 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:43,680 with

1725 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:43,900 the

1726 00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:44,080 encryption

1727 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:44,100 keys

1728 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:45,980 works

1729 00:23:45,980 --> 00:23:46,240 very

1730 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:46,740 reliably

1731 00:23:46,740 --> 00:23:47,360 if

1732 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:47,500 you

1733 00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:47,660 can

1734 00:23:47,660 --> 00:23:47,860 find

1735 00:23:47,860 --> 00:23:47,980 a

1736 00:23:47,980 --> 00:23:48,280 machine

1737 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,120 that

1738 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:49,840 is

1739 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,480 either

1740 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:50,820 booted

1741 00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:50,980 up

1742 00:23:50,980 --> 00:23:51,280 already

1743 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,000 or

1744 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:52,240 that

1745 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:52,360 you

1746 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:52,500 can

1747 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:52,680 boot

1748 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:52,800 up

1749 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:52,960 without

1750 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:53,160 a

1751 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:53,320 pin

1752 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:54,360 because

1753 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:54,600 when

1754 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:54,800 it’s

1755 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,040 booted

1756 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:55,160 up

1757 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:55,240 and

1758 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:55,320 the

1759 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:55,520 OS

1760 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:55,660 is

1761 00:23:55,660 --> 00:23:55,940 running

1762 00:23:55,940 --> 00:23:56,680 those

1763 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:57,120 encryption

1764 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:57,380 keys

1765 00:23:57,380 --> 00:23:57,540 are

1766 00:23:57,540 --> 00:23:57,680 in

1767 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:57,940 memory

1768 00:23:57,940 --> 00:23:58,060 and

1769 00:23:58,060 --> 00:23:58,140 we

1770 00:23:58,140 --> 00:23:58,260 can

1771 00:23:58,260 --> 00:23:58,440 steal

1772 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:58,660 them

1773 00:23:58,660 --> 00:23:59,920 you

1774 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:00,260 mentioned

1775 00:24:00,260 --> 00:24:00,680 that

1776 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,940 like

1777 00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:02,360 in

1778 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:03,400 EFI

1779 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,160 there

1780 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:04,340 are

1781 00:24:04,340 --> 00:24:04,480 a

1782 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:04,780 restricted

1783 00:24:04,780 --> 00:24:05,080 number

1784 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:05,220 of

1785 00:24:05,220 --> 00:24:05,500 programs

1786 00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:05,620 you

1787 00:24:05,620 --> 00:24:05,820 actually

1788 00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:06,020 can

1789 00:24:06,020 --> 00:24:06,340 run

1790 00:24:06,340 --> 00:24:06,680 and

1791 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:06,820 you

1792 00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:07,020 use

1793 00:24:07,020 --> 00:24:07,220 the

1794 00:24:07,220 --> 00:24:07,580 Linux

1795 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:07,960 Chim

1796 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:08,160 to

1797 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:08,380 get

1798 00:24:08,380 --> 00:24:08,820 your

1799 00:24:08,820 --> 00:24:10,480 RAM

1800 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,460 sniffer

1801 00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:12,340 running

1802 00:24:12,340 --> 00:24:13,420 but

1803 00:24:13,420 --> 00:24:13,560 you

1804 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:13,700 need

1805 00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:13,840 to

1806 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,240 register

1807 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:14,580 those

1808 00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:15,100 programs

1809 00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:16,920 was

1810 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:17,100 that

1811 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:17,380 part

1812 00:24:17,380 --> 00:24:17,480 of

1813 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:17,600 the

1814 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:17,960 attack

1815 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,560 or

1816 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:18,740 did

1817 00:24:18,740 --> 00:24:18,860 you

1818 00:24:18,860 --> 00:24:19,160 prepare

1819 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:19,400 that

1820 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:19,580 in

1821 00:24:19,580 --> 00:24:19,960 advance

1822 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,920 so

1823 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,160 would

1824 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:22,260 it

1825 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:22,380 be

1826 00:24:22,380 --> 00:24:22,740 possible

1827 00:24:22,740 --> 00:24:22,960 to

1828 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:23,180 actually

1829 00:24:23,180 --> 00:24:23,600 perform

1830 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:23,760 the

1831 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:24,040 attack

1832 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:24,280 if

1833 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:24,500 that

1834 00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:24,860 isn’t

1835 00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:25,240 registered

1836 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:25,800 yes

1837 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:26,260 because

1838 00:24:26,260 --> 00:24:26,460 then

1839 00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:26,560 you

1840 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:26,780 need

1841 00:24:26,780 --> 00:24:27,120 another

1842 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:27,520 reboot

1843 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:27,740 right

1844 00:24:27,740 --> 00:24:28,000 yes

1845 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:28,180 but

1846 00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:28,320 do

1847 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:28,360 you

1848 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:28,500 think

1849 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:29,560 so

1850 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,120 we

1851 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:31,320 have

1852 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:31,500 done

1853 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:31,680 that

1854 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:31,840 as

1855 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:32,240 well

1856 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:32,880 with

1857 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:33,660 registering

1858 00:24:33,660 --> 00:24:34,380 the

1859 00:24:34,380 --> 00:24:34,920 Chim

1860 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:35,180 and

1861 00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:35,420 doing

1862 00:24:35,420 --> 00:24:35,540 a

1863 00:24:35,540 --> 00:24:35,740 warm

1864 00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:36,080 reboot

1865 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:36,380 into

1866 00:24:36,380 --> 00:24:36,940 the

1867 00:24:36,940 --> 00:24:37,300 attack

1868 00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:37,660 program

1869 00:24:37,660 --> 00:24:37,820 but

1870 00:24:37,820 --> 00:24:37,960 don’t

1871 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:38,060 you

1872 00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:38,180 have

1873 00:24:38,180 --> 00:24:38,280 to

1874 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:38,400 do

1875 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:38,640 that

1876 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,380 in

1877 00:24:39,380 --> 00:24:39,820 beforehand

1878 00:24:39,820 --> 00:24:40,620 before

1879 00:24:40,620 --> 00:24:40,820 you

1880 00:24:40,820 --> 00:24:41,060 steal

1881 00:24:41,060 --> 00:24:41,200 the

1882 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:41,500 laptop

1883 00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:42,280 so

1884 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:42,500 you

1885 00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:42,600 can

1886 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:42,720 do

1887 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:42,840 a

1888 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:43,100 warm

1889 00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:43,560 reboot

1890 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,560 and

1891 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:44,960 then

1892 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:45,420 you

1893 00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:47,620 crash

1894 00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:47,760 the

1895 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,100 computer

1896 00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:49,020 and

1897 00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:49,340 then

1898 00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:50,700 you

1899 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:51,200 clear

1900 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:51,360 the

1901 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:51,600 bit

1902 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,260 or

1903 00:24:52,260 --> 00:24:52,580 wait

1904 00:24:52,580 --> 00:24:53,980 let’s

1905 00:24:53,980 --> 00:24:54,140 just

1906 00:24:54,140 --> 00:24:54,300 say

1907 00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:54,580 this

1908 00:24:54,580 --> 00:24:55,620 the

1909 00:24:55,620 --> 00:24:56,960 whitelist

1910 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,660 for

1911 00:24:57,660 --> 00:24:57,800 the

1912 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,040 Chim

1913 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:58,640 is

1914 00:24:58,640 --> 00:24:58,920 also

1915 00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,260 stored

1916 00:24:59,260 --> 00:24:59,400 in

1917 00:24:59,400 --> 00:24:59,600 the

1918 00:24:59,600 --> 00:24:59,920 FI

1919 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:00,320 variable

1920 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:00,840 so

1921 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,220 we

1922 00:25:01,220 --> 00:25:01,420 could

1923 00:25:01,420 --> 00:25:01,580 have

1924 00:25:01,580 --> 00:25:01,840 just

1925 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,020 as

1926 00:25:02,020 --> 00:25:02,460 easily

1927 00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:03,360 placed

1928 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:03,540 our

1929 00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:03,740 own

1930 00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:04,140 whitelist

1931 00:25:04,140 --> 00:25:04,480 when

1932 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:04,720 you’re

1933 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,220 manipulating

1934 00:25:05,220 --> 00:25:05,440 the

1935 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:05,680 flash

1936 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:05,820 you

1937 00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:05,980 can

1938 00:25:05,980 --> 00:25:06,300 manipulate

1939 00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:06,520 that

1940 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:06,720 one

1941 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,020 it’s

1942 00:25:07,020 --> 00:25:07,660 also

1943 00:25:08,060 --> 00:25:08,500 possible

1944 00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:08,720 to

1945 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:08,860 do

1946 00:25:08,860 --> 00:25:09,000 it

1947 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,160 through

1948 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:09,300 the

1949 00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:09,540 user

1950 00:25:09,540 --> 00:25:09,940 interface

1951 00:25:09,940 --> 00:25:10,120 it

1952 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:10,280 just

1953 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:10,680 requires

1954 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:10,920 one

1955 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:11,120 more

1956 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:11,480 reboot

1957 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:11,900 just

1958 00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:12,560 with

1959 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:12,900 the

1960 00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:13,240 existing

1961 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:13,460 Chim

1962 00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:13,660 tool

1963 00:25:13,660 --> 00:25:14,420 basically

1964 00:25:14,420 --> 00:25:14,800 you’re

1965 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,120 screwing

1966 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:15,400 around

1967 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:15,640 with

1968 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:15,800 the

1969 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:16,180 hardware

1970 00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:16,520 root

1971 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:16,660 of

1972 00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:17,100 trust

1973 00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:17,900 kind

1974 00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:18,100 of

1975 00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:18,300 when

1976 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:19,000 you’re

1977 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:19,340 changing

1978 00:25:19,340 --> 00:25:19,740 that

1979 00:25:19,740 --> 00:25:20,780 I

1980 00:25:20,780 --> 00:25:21,020 would

1981 00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:21,280 say

1982 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,180 the

1983 00:25:22,180 --> 00:25:23,220 problem

1984 00:25:23,220 --> 00:25:23,760 arises

1985 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,400 from

1986 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,000 an

1987 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,420 assumption

1988 00:25:26,420 --> 00:25:27,000 made

1989 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:27,620 about

1990 00:25:27,620 --> 00:25:28,400 the

1991 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:28,660 hardware

1992 00:25:28,660 --> 00:25:28,900 root

1993 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:29,020 of

1994 00:25:29,020 --> 00:25:29,320 trust

1995 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,780 when

1996 00:25:30,780 --> 00:25:31,700 threat

1997 00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:32,060 modeling

1998 00:25:32,060 --> 00:25:32,440 the

1999 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:32,800 laptop

2000 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,100 as a

2001 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:33,360 whole

2002 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:34,280 people

2003 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:34,640 haven’t

2004 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,000 really

2005 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:35,480 put

2006 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:35,780 together

2007 00:25:35,780 --> 00:25:36,020 all

2008 00:25:36,020 --> 00:25:36,280 these

2009 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:36,680 pieces

2010 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:37,160 to

2011 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:37,520 a

2012 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:37,780 realistic

2013 00:25:37,780 --> 00:25:38,040 scenario

2014 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:38,900 so

2015 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:39,420 the

2016 00:25:39,420 --> 00:25:39,700 guys

2017 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:40,060 at

2018 00:25:40,060 --> 00:25:40,400 Microsoft

2019 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:40,600 who

2020 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:40,660 are

2021 00:25:40,660 --> 00:25:40,860 working

2022 00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:41,020 on

2023 00:25:41,020 --> 00:25:41,460 BitLocker

2024 00:25:41,460 --> 00:25:42,380 they

2025 00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:43,380 can’t

2026 00:25:43,380 --> 00:25:43,640 really

2027 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:43,840 do

2028 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:44,300 anything

2029 00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:44,820 except

2030 00:25:44,820 --> 00:25:45,160 work

2031 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:45,280 with

2032 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:45,400 the

2033 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:45,660 standards

2034 00:25:45,660 --> 00:25:46,040 committee

2035 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:46,440 to

2036 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:46,560 get

2037 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:46,700 a

2038 00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:46,940 standard

2039 00:25:46,940 --> 00:25:47,140 that

2040 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:47,360 everyone

2041 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:47,600 can

2042 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:47,800 agree

2043 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:47,980 on

2044 00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:48,600 the

2045 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,500 platform

2046 00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:49,960 vendors

2047 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:50,180 they

2048 00:25:50,180 --> 00:25:50,380 just

2049 00:25:50,380 --> 00:25:50,600 follow

2050 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:50,760 the

2051 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:51,060 standard

2052 00:25:51,060 --> 00:25:51,360 they

2053 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:51,540 don’t

2054 00:25:51,540 --> 00:25:51,740 really

2055 00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:51,940 need

2056 00:25:51,940 --> 00:25:52,060 to

2057 00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:52,220 think

2058 00:25:52,220 --> 00:25:52,500 outside

2059 00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:52,680 of

2060 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:52,780 the

2061 00:25:52,780 --> 00:25:53,040 box

2062 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:53,860 so

2063 00:25:53,860 --> 00:25:54,500 in

2064 00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:55,000 this

2065 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:55,200 kind

2066 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:55,300 of

2067 00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:55,660 interface

2068 00:25:55,660 --> 00:25:56,220 between

2069 00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:56,840 the

2070 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:57,040 different

2071 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:57,560 organizations

2072 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:57,820 that

2073 00:25:57,820 --> 00:25:57,960 are

2074 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:58,380 putting

2075 00:25:58,380 --> 00:25:58,760 together

2076 00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,060 their

2077 00:25:59,060 --> 00:25:59,420 piece

2078 00:25:59,420 --> 00:25:59,820 of

2079 00:25:59,820 --> 00:26:00,020 the

2080 00:26:00,020 --> 00:26:00,320 PC

2081 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:00,900 puzzle

2082 00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:02,400 you

2083 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:02,520 know

2084 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:02,660 in

2085 00:26:02,660 --> 00:26:02,760 the

2086 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,040 interface

2087 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:03,300 between

2088 00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:03,480 those

2089 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:03,940 organizations

2090 00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:04,500 certain

2091 00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:04,860 things

2092 00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:05,060 can

2093 00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:05,260 slip

2094 00:26:05,260 --> 00:26:05,480 between

2095 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:05,620 the

2096 00:26:05,620 --> 00:26:05,840 cracks

2097 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:06,240 and

2098 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:06,300 I

2099 00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:06,420 think

2100 00:26:06,420 --> 00:26:06,640 that’s

2101 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:06,740 what

2102 00:26:06,740 --> 00:26:07,000 happened

2103 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:07,140 in

2104 00:26:07,140 --> 00:26:07,300 this

2105 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:07,560 case

2106 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:07,800 is

2107 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:08,020 that

2108 00:26:08,020 --> 00:26:08,720 nobody

2109 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:08,940 had

2110 00:26:08,940 --> 00:26:09,180 actually

2111 00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:09,420 put

2112 00:26:09,420 --> 00:26:09,720 together

2113 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:09,900 the

2114 00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:10,100 whole

2115 00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:10,380 attack

2116 00:26:10,380 --> 00:26:10,840 scenario

2117 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:11,660 and

2118 00:26:11,660 --> 00:26:11,980 figured

2119 00:26:11,980 --> 00:26:12,240 out

2120 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:12,460 that

2121 00:26:12,460 --> 00:26:12,740 okay

2122 00:26:12,740 --> 00:26:13,560 this

2123 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:13,740 thing

2124 00:26:13,740 --> 00:26:13,860 is

2125 00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:14,480 bypassable

2126 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:14,780 therefore

2127 00:26:14,780 --> 00:26:15,120 this

2128 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:15,380 thing

2129 00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:15,600 is

2130 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:15,860 attacking

2131 00:26:15,860 --> 00:26:16,200 and

2132 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:16,440 therefore

2133 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:16,720 we

2134 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:16,860 can

2135 00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:17,020 get

2136 00:26:17,020 --> 00:26:17,160 up

2137 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:17,280 the

2138 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:17,420 you

2139 00:26:17,420 --> 00:26:17,580 know

2140 00:26:17,580 --> 00:26:18,280 that

2141 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:18,460 kind

2142 00:26:18,460 --> 00:26:18,520 of

2143 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:18,680 thing

2144 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:18,960 when

2145 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,080 you

2146 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:19,220 did

2147 00:26:19,220 --> 00:26:19,380 the

2148 00:26:19,380 --> 00:26:19,680 Apple

2149 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:19,980 attack

2150 00:26:19,980 --> 00:26:20,240 you

2151 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:20,760 didn’t

2152 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:21,040 use

2153 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:21,260 any

2154 00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:21,600 flash

2155 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,080 programmer

2156 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:22,660 how

2157 00:26:22,660 --> 00:26:23,540 come

2158 00:26:23,540 --> 00:26:25,180 because

2159 00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:25,400 they

2160 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:25,600 don’t

2161 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:25,760 use

2162 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:25,880 the

2163 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:26,100 morbid

2164 00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:27,720 you

2165 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,240 guessed

2166 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:28,380 it

2167 00:26:28,380 --> 00:26:28,740 yourself

2168 00:26:28,740 --> 00:26:29,400 so

2169 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:29,720 that’s

2170 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,000 same

2171 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:30,540 as

2172 00:26:30,540 --> 00:26:32,180 same

2173 00:26:32,180 --> 00:26:32,540 as

2174 00:26:32,540 --> 00:26:33,260 Linux

2175 00:26:33,260 --> 00:26:34,100 before

2176 00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:34,620 yeah

2177 00:26:34,620 --> 00:26:35,200 exactly

2178 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:35,420 so

2179 00:26:35,420 --> 00:26:35,720 Linux

2180 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:36,400 also

2181 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,060 we

2182 00:26:37,060 --> 00:26:37,340 mentioned

2183 00:26:37,340 --> 00:26:37,500 in

2184 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:37,600 the

2185 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:37,940 talk

2186 00:26:37,940 --> 00:26:38,500 they

2187 00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:38,780 didn’t

2188 00:26:38,780 --> 00:26:38,940 have

2189 00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:39,320 support

2190 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:39,500 for

2191 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:39,740 setting

2192 00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:39,900 the

2193 00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:40,280 morbid

2194 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:40,760 until

2195 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:40,980 a

2196 00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:41,100 year

2197 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:41,320 ago

2198 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:41,460 in

2199 00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:41,540 the

2200 00:26:41,540 --> 00:26:41,900 mainline

2201 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:42,500 Linux

2202 00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:42,720 kernel

2203 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,220 so

2204 00:26:44,220 --> 00:26:45,000 most

2205 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:45,180 of

2206 00:26:45,180 --> 00:26:45,300 the

2207 00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:45,520 Linux

2208 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,020 distributions

2209 00:26:46,020 --> 00:26:46,240 that

2210 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:46,360 I

2211 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:46,540 know

2212 00:26:46,540 --> 00:26:46,740 of

2213 00:26:46,740 --> 00:26:47,400 they

2214 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,280 use

2215 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,000 the

2216 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:49,920 pre-boot

2217 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:50,400 authentication

2218 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:50,720 method

2219 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:50,880 of

2220 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,200 unlocking

2221 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:51,380 the

2222 00:26:51,380 --> 00:26:51,540 hard

2223 00:26:51,540 --> 00:26:51,780 drive

2224 00:26:51,780 --> 00:26:52,500 so

2225 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:52,800 at

2226 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,220 least

2227 00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:53,520 with

2228 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:54,260 Mac

2229 00:26:54,260 --> 00:26:54,560 OS

2230 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:54,740 and

2231 00:26:54,740 --> 00:26:54,900 with

2232 00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:55,220 Linux

2233 00:26:55,220 --> 00:26:55,900 you

2234 00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:56,260 only

2235 00:26:56,260 --> 00:26:56,560 as

2236 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:56,680 an

2237 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:56,920 attacker

2238 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:57,160 have

2239 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:57,420 one

2240 00:26:57,420 --> 00:26:57,620 shot

2241 00:26:57,620 --> 00:26:57,800 at

2242 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,100 performing

2243 00:26:58,100 --> 00:26:58,280 the

2244 00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:58,540 attack

2245 00:26:58,540 --> 00:26:59,300 and

2246 00:26:59,300 --> 00:26:59,440 then

2247 00:26:59,440 --> 00:26:59,620 of

2248 00:26:59,620 --> 00:26:59,800 course

2249 00:26:59,800 --> 00:26:59,920 you

2250 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:00,040 can

2251 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:00,240 also

2252 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:00,460 have

2253 00:27:00,460 --> 00:27:00,760 different

2254 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:01,220 things

2255 00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:02,180 that

2256 00:27:02,180 --> 00:27:02,280 you

2257 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:02,500 need

2258 00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:02,700 to

2259 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:03,160 bypass

2260 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:03,720 like

2261 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:03,940 the

2262 00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:04,180 firmware

2263 00:27:04,180 --> 00:27:04,580 password

2264 00:27:04,580 --> 00:27:04,760 for

2265 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:05,080 example

2266 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:05,740 so

2267 00:27:05,740 --> 00:27:05,940 if

2268 00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:06,140 it’s

2269 00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:06,320 hard

2270 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:06,500 to

2271 00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:06,680 boot

2272 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:06,940 from

2273 00:27:06,940 --> 00:27:07,140 an

2274 00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:07,440 external

2275 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:07,860 drive

2276 00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:08,120 then

2277 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:08,260 you

2278 00:27:08,260 --> 00:27:08,540 also

2279 00:27:08,540 --> 00:27:08,720 have

2280 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:08,820 to

2281 00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:08,940 get

2282 00:27:08,940 --> 00:27:09,160 around

2283 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:09,380 that

2284 00:27:09,380 --> 00:27:09,600 hurdle

2285 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:09,960 somehow

2286 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,460 and

2287 00:27:10,460 --> 00:27:10,640 then

2288 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:10,780 you

2289 00:27:10,780 --> 00:27:10,960 might

2290 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:11,280 be

2291 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:11,780 in

2292 00:27:11,780 --> 00:27:12,040 the

2293 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:12,480 region

2294 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:12,760 of

2295 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:13,060 messing

2296 00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:13,340 with

2297 00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:13,480 the

2298 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:13,740 FI

2299 00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:14,060 settings

2300 00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:14,520 using

2301 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:14,680 a

2302 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:15,800 hardware

2303 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,160 attack

2304 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:16,880 on

2305 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:17,000 the

2306 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:17,180 firmware

2307 00:27:17,180 --> 00:27:17,560 settings

2308 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:18,120 but

2309 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:18,780 if

2310 00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:19,180 you

2311 00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:19,440 can

2312 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,620 boot

2313 00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:23,240 your

2314 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:23,640 tools

2315 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:23,860 on

2316 00:27:23,860 --> 00:27:23,980 a

2317 00:27:23,980 --> 00:27:24,220 Linux

2318 00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:24,560 machine

2319 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:24,760 or

2320 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:24,880 a

2321 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:25,160 Mac OS

2322 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,520 machine

2323 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,320 you

2324 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:26,480 at

2325 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:26,600 least

2326 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:26,760 have

2327 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,000 one

2328 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,200 shot

2329 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:27,400 at

2330 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:27,780 performing

2331 00:27:27,780 --> 00:27:28,000 this

2332 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:28,260 attack

2333 00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:28,400 if

2334 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:28,500 you

2335 00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:28,720 find

2336 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:28,840 it

2337 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:28,940 in

2338 00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:29,040 a

2339 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:29,200 power

2340 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:29,360 on

2341 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:29,660 state

2342 00:27:29,660 --> 00:27:30,220 I

2343 00:27:30,220 --> 00:27:30,700 think

2344 00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:30,920 this

2345 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:31,400 morbid

2346 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:31,560 is

2347 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:31,820 very

2348 00:27:31,820 --> 00:27:32,200 interesting

2349 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:32,540 because

2350 00:27:32,540 --> 00:27:32,800 it’s

2351 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,080 a

2352 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:33,880 very

2353 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:34,400 specific

2354 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,140 interface

2355 00:27:35,140 --> 00:27:35,880 between

2356 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:36,980 OS

2357 00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:37,700 responsibility

2358 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:38,980 and

2359 00:27:38,980 --> 00:27:39,680 firmware

2360 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,380 responsibility

2361 00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:40,800 exactly

2362 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:41,540 yeah

2363 00:27:41,540 --> 00:27:42,080 and

2364 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:42,380 that’s

2365 00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:43,440 the

2366 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:43,940 interesting

2367 00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:44,360 part

2368 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:44,500 where

2369 00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:44,680 you

2370 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:44,900 have

2371 00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:45,580 different

2372 00:27:45,580 --> 00:27:46,220 organizations

2373 00:27:46,220 --> 00:27:47,140 responsible

2374 00:27:47,140 --> 00:27:47,400 for

2375 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:47,700 different

2376 00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:48,080 things

2377 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:48,480 and

2378 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:48,580 they

2379 00:27:48,580 --> 00:27:48,720 have

2380 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:48,820 to

2381 00:27:48,820 --> 00:27:49,120 agree

2382 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:49,300 on

2383 00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:49,460 how

2384 00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:49,560 do

2385 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:49,640 we

2386 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:49,760 do

2387 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:49,920 this

2388 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,240 securely

2389 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:50,680 together

2390 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,360 and

2391 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:51,600 this

2392 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:51,720 is

2393 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:51,800 a

2394 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:51,900 good

2395 00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:52,300 example

2396 00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:52,700 of

2397 00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:54,140 when

2398 00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:54,320 it

2399 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:54,660 doesn’t

2400 00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:55,000 work

2401 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:55,540 100%

2402 00:27:55,540 --> 00:27:56,640 and

2403 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:56,780 I

2404 00:27:56,780 --> 00:27:56,940 mean

2405 00:27:56,940 --> 00:27:57,340 when

2406 00:27:57,340 --> 00:27:59,200 people

2407 00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:59,960 explained

2408 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:00,900 the

2409 00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:02,940 counter

2410 00:28:02,940 --> 00:28:03,220 measures

2411 00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:03,560 being

2412 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:03,980 taken

2413 00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:04,380 to

2414 00:28:04,380 --> 00:28:05,800 make

2415 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:06,000 the

2416 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:06,180 cold

2417 00:28:06,180 --> 00:28:06,400 boat

2418 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:06,780 attacks

2419 00:28:06,780 --> 00:28:07,180 harder

2420 00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:08,140 I

2421 00:28:08,140 --> 00:28:08,300 mean

2422 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:08,580 no

2423 00:28:08,580 --> 00:28:08,760 one

2424 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:08,980 ever

2425 00:28:08,980 --> 00:28:09,340 said

2426 00:28:09,340 --> 00:28:11,360 except

2427 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:11,620 we

2428 00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:11,780 got

2429 00:28:11,780 --> 00:28:12,200 this

2430 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:12,860 exception

2431 00:28:12,860 --> 00:28:13,200 thing

2432 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:13,500 here

2433 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:14,040 which

2434 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:14,340 which

2435 00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:14,840 says

2436 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:15,280 don’t

2437 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:15,420 do

2438 00:28:15,420 --> 00:28:15,600 it

2439 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,060 sometimes

2440 00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:17,420 yeah

2441 00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:18,040 because

2442 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:18,680 before

2443 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,100 this

2444 00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:19,740 presentation

2445 00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:21,040 I

2446 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:21,360 don’t

2447 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:21,620 think

2448 00:28:21,620 --> 00:28:21,920 many

2449 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:22,520 people

2450 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:22,960 would

2451 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:23,680 believe

2452 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,960 would

2453 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:25,440 guess

2454 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:25,860 that

2455 00:28:25,860 --> 00:28:26,580 this

2456 00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:27,380 morbid

2457 00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:27,960 existed

2458 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:28,680 and it

2459 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,040 worked

2460 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:29,360 the way

2461 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:29,520 it

2462 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:29,980 worked

2463 00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:30,700 it’s

2464 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:31,220 definitely

2465 00:28:31,220 --> 00:28:31,740 easier

2466 00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:31,960 now

2467 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:32,120 that

2468 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:32,420 Microsoft

2469 00:28:32,420 --> 00:28:33,060 updated

2470 00:28:33,060 --> 00:28:33,300 their

2471 00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:33,560 online

2472 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,100 documentation

2473 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:34,380 to

2474 00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:34,740 find

2475 00:28:34,740 --> 00:28:34,960 this

2476 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:35,420 information

2477 00:28:35,420 --> 00:28:35,760 about

2478 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:35,960 how

2479 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,140 this

2480 00:28:36,140 --> 00:28:36,320 stuff

2481 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:36,720 works

2482 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:37,240 and

2483 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:37,420 what

2484 00:28:37,420 --> 00:28:37,760 attacks

2485 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:38,060 are

2486 00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:38,560 possible

2487 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,460 so

2488 00:28:39,460 --> 00:28:40,440 that’s

2489 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:40,560 but

2490 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:40,900 anyone

2491 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:41,180 could

2492 00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:41,360 have

2493 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:41,560 read

2494 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:41,840 this

2495 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,220 document

2496 00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:42,600 and

2497 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:42,940 understood

2498 00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:43,160 it

2499 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:43,880 reasonably

2500 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:44,920 but

2501 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,540 we’re

2502 00:28:45,540 --> 00:28:45,800 not

2503 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,380 very

2504 00:28:46,380 --> 00:28:46,840 clever

2505 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:47,880 so

2506 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:48,260 I mean

2507 00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:48,600 anybody

2508 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:48,840 who

2509 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,080 read

2510 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:49,220 the

2511 00:28:49,220 --> 00:28:49,580 document

2512 00:28:49,580 --> 00:28:50,120 and

2513 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:50,400 was

2514 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:50,720 thinking

2515 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:51,220 about

2516 00:28:51,220 --> 00:28:51,460 doing

2517 00:28:51,460 --> 00:28:51,640 this

2518 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:51,920 attack

2519 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:52,140 would

2520 00:28:52,140 --> 00:28:52,260 have

2521 00:28:52,260 --> 00:28:52,460 came

2522 00:28:52,460 --> 00:28:52,580 to

2523 00:28:52,580 --> 00:28:52,720 the

2524 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:52,880 same

2525 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,280 conclusion

2526 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,840 I’m

2527 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,040 sure

2528 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,200 you’re

2529 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:55,420 clever

2530 00:28:55,420 --> 00:28:57,320 but

2531 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:57,740 you

2532 00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:57,980 don’t

2533 00:28:57,980 --> 00:28:58,260 need

2534 00:28:58,260 --> 00:28:58,380 to

2535 00:28:58,380 --> 00:28:58,520 be

2536 00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:58,880 clever

2537 00:28:58,880 --> 00:28:59,460 in

2538 00:28:59,460 --> 00:28:59,640 order

2539 00:28:59,640 --> 00:28:59,940 to

2540 00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:00,400 figure

2541 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:00,560 it

2542 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:00,740 out

2543 00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:01,140 so

2544 00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:01,360 I’m

2545 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:01,580 sure

2546 00:29:01,580 --> 00:29:01,880 also

2547 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:02,200 this

2548 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:02,460 was

2549 00:29:02,460 --> 00:29:02,600 a

2550 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:02,860 question

2551 00:29:02,860 --> 00:29:03,040 that

2552 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:03,140 we

2553 00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:03,320 didn’t

2554 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:03,460 get

2555 00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:03,660 asked

2556 00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:03,800 on

2557 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,100 stage

2558 00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:04,380 but

2559 00:29:04,380 --> 00:29:05,420 I’ve

2560 00:29:05,420 --> 00:29:05,700 been

2561 00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:05,880 asked

2562 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:06,280 before

2563 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,080 I’m

2564 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:07,280 sure

2565 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:07,480 that

2566 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:07,720 other

2567 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,000 people

2568 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:08,180 have

2569 00:29:08,180 --> 00:29:08,360 thought

2570 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:08,560 about

2571 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:14,520 this

2572 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:14,800 attack

2573 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,920 let’s

2574 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,080 say

2575 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:16,220 you

2576 00:29:16,220 --> 00:29:16,640 100

2577 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,220 people

2578 00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:17,620 which

2579 00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:17,900 are

2580 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:18,420 employed

2581 00:29:18,420 --> 00:29:18,920 your

2582 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,260 operation

2583 00:29:20,260 --> 00:29:20,680 is

2584 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,200 get

2585 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:22,480 other

2586 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:22,920 governments

2587 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:23,460 computers

2588 00:29:23,460 --> 00:29:23,980 and

2589 00:29:23,980 --> 00:29:24,640 get

2590 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:24,900 into

2591 00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:25,160 them

2592 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:25,880 it’s

2593 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:26,340 reasonable

2594 00:29:26,340 --> 00:29:26,680 you

2595 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:27,240 should

2596 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,600 investigate

2597 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,200 if

2598 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:29,360 your

2599 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:29,800 business

2600 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,320 is

2601 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,240 stealing

2602 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:31,740 or

2603 00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:32,300 unlocking

2604 00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:32,540 other

2605 00:29:32,540 --> 00:29:32,900 people’s

2606 00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:33,260 computers

2607 00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:33,740 might

2608 00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:34,600 be

2609 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:34,760 law

2610 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:35,180 enforcement

2611 00:29:35,180 --> 00:29:35,400 for

2612 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:35,740 example

2613 00:29:35,740 --> 00:29:36,040 you

2614 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:36,260 might

2615 00:29:36,260 --> 00:29:36,480 want

2616 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:36,600 to

2617 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:36,920 unlock

2618 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,460 criminals

2619 00:29:37,460 --> 00:29:37,840 computer

2620 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,000 to

2621 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:38,120 get

2622 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:38,480 evidence

2623 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:38,780 against

2624 00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:38,940 them

2625 00:29:38,940 --> 00:29:39,580 so

2626 00:29:39,580 --> 00:29:39,900 yeah

2627 00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:40,540 definitely

2628 00:29:40,540 --> 00:29:40,820 there

2629 00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:41,280 probably

2630 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:41,540 are

2631 00:29:41,540 --> 00:29:41,920 people

2632 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,380 somewhere

2633 00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:42,600 on

2634 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:42,740 this

2635 00:29:42,740 --> 00:29:42,960 planet

2636 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,140 that

2637 00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:43,280 have

2638 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:43,460 thought

2639 00:29:43,460 --> 00:29:43,640 about

2640 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:43,840 this

2641 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:44,160 before

2642 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,660 that’s

2643 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:45,980 part of

2644 00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:46,080 the

2645 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:46,280 reason

2646 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:46,500 why

2647 00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:46,660 we

2648 00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:46,900 want

2649 00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:47,320 to

2650 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,260 go

2651 00:29:48,260 --> 00:29:48,580 public

2652 00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:48,740 with

2653 00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:48,900 this

2654 00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:49,360 information

2655 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:49,620 and

2656 00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:49,780 tell

2657 00:29:49,780 --> 00:29:50,180 everybody

2658 00:29:50,180 --> 00:29:50,540 about

2659 00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:50,680 it

2660 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:50,800 at

2661 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:50,940 the

2662 00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:51,100 same

2663 00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:51,420 time

2664 00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:52,040 because

2665 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:52,520 we

2666 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:52,820 think

2667 00:29:52,820 --> 00:29:53,120 that

2668 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,940 people

2669 00:29:54,940 --> 00:29:55,160 need

2670 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:55,260 to

2671 00:29:55,260 --> 00:29:55,420 be

2672 00:29:55,420 --> 00:29:55,700 aware

2673 00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:55,900 that

2674 00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:56,080 this

2675 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:56,340 risk

2676 00:29:56,340 --> 00:29:56,820 exists

2677 00:29:56,820 --> 00:29:57,980 it’s

2678 00:29:57,980 --> 00:29:58,520 quite

2679 00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:58,800 funny

2680 00:29:58,800 --> 00:29:59,020 when

2681 00:29:59,020 --> 00:29:59,160 you

2682 00:29:59,160 --> 00:29:59,380 read

2683 00:29:59,380 --> 00:29:59,520 the

2684 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,140 specification

2685 00:30:00,140 --> 00:30:00,980 after

2686 00:30:00,980 --> 00:30:03,260 doing

2687 00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:03,580 this

2688 00:30:03,580 --> 00:30:04,920 it’s

2689 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,200 very

2690 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:05,700 obvious

2691 00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:05,980 that

2692 00:30:05,980 --> 00:30:06,140 they

2693 00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:07,900 knew

2694 00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:08,160 that

2695 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:08,380 this

2696 00:30:08,380 --> 00:30:08,620 was

2697 00:30:08,620 --> 00:30:08,940 a

2698 00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:09,580 real

2699 00:30:09,580 --> 00:30:10,320 problem

2700 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,100 but

2701 00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:11,280 they

2702 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:11,620 didn’t

2703 00:30:11,620 --> 00:30:11,900 want

2704 00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:12,020 to

2705 00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:12,320 specify

2706 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:12,700 that

2707 00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:13,180 but

2708 00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:13,380 you

2709 00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:13,680 think

2710 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:14,020 the

2711 00:30:14,020 --> 00:30:15,040 TCG

2712 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:15,660 groups

2713 00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:16,440 their

2714 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,140 specification

2715 00:30:17,140 --> 00:30:20,540 not

2716 00:30:20,540 --> 00:30:21,280 always

2717 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:21,500 the

2718 00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:21,740 most

2719 00:30:21,740 --> 00:30:22,300 easily

2720 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:22,580 read

2721 00:30:22,580 --> 00:30:23,080 documents

2722 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:23,300 I

2723 00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:23,700 haven’t

2724 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:23,900 read

2725 00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:24,160 the

2726 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:24,540 particular

2727 00:30:24,540 --> 00:30:24,960 document

2728 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:25,140 you

2729 00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:25,480 mentioned

2730 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:25,660 but

2731 00:30:25,660 --> 00:30:26,080 it

2732 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:26,900 had

2733 00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:27,340 pictures

2734 00:30:27,340 --> 00:30:28,880 it’s

2735 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:29,240 short

2736 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,360 so

2737 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:30,540 it

2738 00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:30,940 was

2739 00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:31,160 quite

2740 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:31,520 readable

2741 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,880 there’s

2742 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,120 always

2743 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:33,480 part

2744 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:33,620 of

2745 00:30:33,620 --> 00:30:33,760 the

2746 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,560 specification

2747 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:34,940 there’s

2748 00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:35,320 a

2749 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,400 command

2750 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:36,920 exists

2751 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:37,140 and

2752 00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:37,280 it

2753 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:37,500 takes

2754 00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:37,740 this

2755 00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:38,220 input

2756 00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:39,900 guess

2757 00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:40,200 what

2758 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:40,400 it

2759 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:40,920 does

2760 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,820 it’s

2761 00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:42,100 up to

2762 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:42,320 you

2763 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:42,480 to

2764 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,220 understand

2765 00:30:43,220 --> 00:30:43,640 what

2766 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:43,660 all

2767 00:30:43,660 --> 00:30:43,680 the

2768 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,600 this

2769 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:44,920 this

2770 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:45,360 particular

2771 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,080 specifications

2772 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:46,480 document

2773 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:46,740 was

2774 00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:46,960 actually

2775 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,260 quite

2776 00:30:47,260 --> 00:30:47,860 easy

2777 00:30:47,860 --> 00:30:48,060 to

2778 00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:48,360 read

2779 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:48,480 and

2780 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:48,880 understand

2781 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,300 so

2782 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:49,760 we

2783 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:50,100 didn’t

2784 00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:50,400 actually

2785 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:50,640 need

2786 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:50,740 to

2787 00:30:50,740 --> 00:30:50,860 be

2788 00:30:50,860 --> 00:30:51,080 super

2789 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:51,360 smart

2790 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:51,520 to

2791 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:51,900 figure

2792 00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:52,060 it

2793 00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:52,240 out

2794 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,360 for

2795 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:53,600 those

2796 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:53,760 of

2797 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:53,980 you

2798 00:30:53,980 --> 00:30:54,300 that

2799 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:54,580 want

2800 00:30:54,580 --> 00:30:54,920 more

2801 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:55,380 information

2802 00:30:55,380 --> 00:30:55,840 regarding

2803 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,100 this

2804 00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:56,420 similar

2805 00:30:56,420 --> 00:30:57,720 technology

2806 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,060 you

2807 00:30:58,060 --> 00:30:58,640 mentioned

2808 00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:58,940 your

2809 00:30:58,940 --> 00:30:59,500 colleagues

2810 00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:00,100 presentation

2811 00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:00,380 was

2812 00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:00,500 it

2813 00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:00,760 Timo

2814 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:01,080 from

2815 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:01,720 Disobey

2816 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:02,180 yes

2817 00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:02,520 Timo

2818 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,040 our

2819 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:03,740 colleague

2820 00:31:03,740 --> 00:31:03,940 from

2821 00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:04,200 Finland

2822 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:04,500 did

2823 00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:04,820 a

2824 00:31:04,820 --> 00:31:05,400 presentation

2825 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:05,680 at

2826 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,040 Disobey

2827 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:06,260 which

2828 00:31:06,260 --> 00:31:06,420 is

2829 00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:06,600 a

2830 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,140 conference

2831 00:31:07,140 --> 00:31:07,380 in

2832 00:31:07,380 --> 00:31:07,660 Finland

2833 00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:08,180 last

2834 00:31:08,180 --> 00:31:08,480 year

2835 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,880 that

2836 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,380 talked

2837 00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:10,720 about

2838 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:10,980 how

2839 00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:11,200 to

2840 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:11,460 build

2841 00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:11,820 this

2842 00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:12,340 toolkit

2843 00:31:12,340 --> 00:31:12,640 that

2844 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,000 dumps

2845 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:13,240 memory

2846 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:13,400 and

2847 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:13,680 finds

2848 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,040 encryption

2849 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:14,400 keys

2850 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,040 so

2851 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,300 that’s

2852 00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:15,480 also

2853 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:15,940 interesting

2854 00:31:15,940 --> 00:31:16,140 to

2855 00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:16,680 take a

2856 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:16,800 look

2857 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:16,920 at

2858 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:17,040 if

2859 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:17,140 you

2860 00:31:17,140 --> 00:31:17,920 want

2861 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,020 to

2862 00:31:18,020 --> 00:31:18,120 know

2863 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:18,340 more

2864 00:31:18,340 --> 00:31:18,560 about

2865 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:18,700 how

2866 00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:18,920 that’s

2867 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:19,100 done

2868 00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:20,160 I

2869 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:20,680 cannot

2870 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:20,980 love

2871 00:31:20,980 --> 00:31:21,380 problems

2872 00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:21,820 which

2873 00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:22,200 just

2874 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:22,720 refuse

2875 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:22,920 to

2876 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,100 go

2877 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:23,500 away

2878 00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:24,260 and

2879 00:31:24,260 --> 00:31:24,380 you

2880 00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:24,820 mentioned

2881 00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:25,620 we

2882 00:31:25,620 --> 00:31:25,860 know

2883 00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:26,100 about

2884 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:26,300 this

2885 00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:26,600 problem

2886 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:26,880 10

2887 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,080 years

2888 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:27,240 ago

2889 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:27,400 but

2890 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:27,640 that

2891 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,020 paper

2892 00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:28,520 stated

2893 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,080 hey

2894 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:29,300 we

2895 00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:29,480 knew

2896 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,060 about

2897 00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:31,020 memory

2898 00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:31,760 resilience

2899 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,300 since

2900 00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:33,120 1974

2901 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:33,800 or

2902 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,160 something

2903 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,080 so

2904 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,640 I

2905 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:36,940 mean

2906 00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:37,340 this

2907 00:31:37,340 --> 00:31:37,480 is

2908 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:37,680 like

2909 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,320 50

2910 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:38,500 or

2911 00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:38,800 60

2912 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,120 years

2913 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:39,620 later

2914 00:31:39,620 --> 00:31:40,280 still

2915 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,120 haven’t

2916 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:41,320 solved

2917 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:41,520 it

2918 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:41,840 properly

2919 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:42,300 that’s

2920 00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:42,580 true

2921 00:31:42,580 --> 00:31:43,660 it’s

2922 00:31:43,660 --> 00:31:43,780 a

2923 00:31:43,780 --> 00:31:44,020 really

2924 00:31:44,020 --> 00:31:44,660 a

2925 00:31:44,660 --> 00:31:45,300 final

2926 00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:46,320 solution

2927 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:46,560 for

2928 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:46,740 this

2929 00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:47,180 isn’t

2930 00:31:47,180 --> 00:31:47,360 this

2931 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:47,660 like

2932 00:31:47,660 --> 00:31:47,880 you

2933 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:48,120 hide

2934 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:48,280 the

2935 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:48,480 key

2936 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:48,720 with

2937 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,500 the

2938 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:49,700 key

2939 00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:49,880 and

2940 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,060 then

2941 00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:50,360 that

2942 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:50,540 key

2943 00:31:50,540 --> 00:31:50,740 needs

2944 00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:50,840 to

2945 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:50,940 be

2946 00:31:50,940 --> 00:31:51,200 hidden

2947 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:51,560 with

2948 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:51,780 another

2949 00:31:51,780 --> 00:31:52,060 key

2950 00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:52,860 it

2951 00:31:52,860 --> 00:31:53,760 can

2952 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,020 be

2953 00:31:54,020 --> 00:31:54,600 quite

2954 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:54,880 tricky

2955 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,800 there

2956 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:55,980 are

2957 00:31:55,980 --> 00:31:56,220 people

2958 00:31:56,220 --> 00:31:56,560 working

2959 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:56,720 on

2960 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:56,820 it

2961 00:31:56,820 --> 00:31:56,980 so

2962 00:31:56,980 --> 00:31:57,320 apple

2963 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:57,480 for

2964 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:57,820 example

2965 00:31:57,820 --> 00:31:58,120 in

2966 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:58,320 their

2967 00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:58,840 very

2968 00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,160 latest

2969 00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:59,500 models

2970 00:31:59,500 --> 00:31:59,740 they

2971 00:31:59,740 --> 00:32:00,000 have

2972 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,300 something

2973 00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:00,680 called

2974 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:00,920 a

2975 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:01,400 t2

2976 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:01,760 chip

2977 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,620 which

2978 00:32:02,620 --> 00:32:03,500 handles

2979 00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:03,680 the

2980 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:03,920 encryption

2981 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,340 part

2982 00:32:04,340 --> 00:32:05,160 separately

2983 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:05,620 from

2984 00:32:05,620 --> 00:32:05,800 the

2985 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,040 main

2986 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:06,660 cpu

2987 00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:07,580 so

2988 00:32:07,580 --> 00:32:07,780 it’s

2989 00:32:07,780 --> 00:32:08,180 easier

2990 00:32:08,180 --> 00:32:08,540 then

2991 00:32:08,540 --> 00:32:08,800 to

2992 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,000 kind

2993 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,080 of

2994 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,320 hide

2995 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:09,480 the

2996 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:09,680 keys

2997 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:09,920 away

2998 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,320 because

2999 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:10,680 you

3000 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,540 don’t

3001 00:32:11,540 --> 00:32:11,680 have

3002 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:11,800 to

3003 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:12,120 expose

3004 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:12,320 it

3005 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:12,520 to

3006 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:12,700 the

3007 00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:12,980 operating

3008 00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:13,360 system

3009 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,240 so

3010 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:14,680 that’s

3011 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:14,880 one

3012 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,040 way

3013 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:15,120 of

3014 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:15,300 doing

3015 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:15,560 it

3016 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,060 the

3017 00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:16,740 interface

3018 00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:17,360 between

3019 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:17,840 those

3020 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,300 chips

3021 00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:18,620 would

3022 00:32:18,620 --> 00:32:18,760 be

3023 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,220 interesting

3024 00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:20,280 i’m

3025 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:20,460 not

3026 00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:20,760 saying

3027 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:21,020 that

3028 00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:21,220 it

3029 00:32:21,220 --> 00:32:21,540 wouldn’t

3030 00:32:21,540 --> 00:32:21,720 be

3031 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,140 interesting

3032 00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:22,300 to

3033 00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:22,420 have

3034 00:32:22,420 --> 00:32:22,500 a

3035 00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:22,640 look

3036 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:22,820 there

3037 00:32:22,820 --> 00:32:23,100 i’m

3038 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:23,280 not

3039 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:23,500 saying

3040 00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:23,740 we

3041 00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:24,060 won’t

3042 00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:24,260 be

3043 00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:24,520 doing

3044 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:24,780 that

3045 00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:25,000 in

3046 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:25,660 ten

3047 00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:26,060 years

3048 00:32:26,060 --> 00:32:26,480 time

3049 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:26,820 we’ll

3050 00:32:26,820 --> 00:32:27,480 see

3051 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,840 we have

3052 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:28,940 to

3053 00:32:28,940 --> 00:32:29,080 have

3054 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:29,380 time

3055 00:32:29,380 --> 00:32:29,520 to

3056 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:29,660 do

3057 00:32:29,660 --> 00:32:29,820 it

3058 00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:29,980 so

3059 00:32:29,980 --> 00:32:31,440 this

3060 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:31,780 was

3061 00:32:31,780 --> 00:32:32,580 very

3062 00:32:32,580 --> 00:32:32,820 fun

3063 00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:32,960 to

3064 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,180 work

3065 00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:33,420 on

3066 00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:33,820 but

3067 00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:34,260 it

3068 00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:34,440 also

3069 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:34,700 took

3070 00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:34,960 quite

3071 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:35,080 a

3072 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:35,180 lot

3073 00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:35,260 of

3074 00:32:35,260 --> 00:32:35,380 our

3075 00:32:35,380 --> 00:32:35,560 free

3076 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:35,820 time

3077 00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:36,080 so

3078 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:36,360 we’ll

3079 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:36,540 see

3080 00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:37,020 also

3081 00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:37,340 fun

3082 00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:37,460 to

3083 00:32:37,460 --> 00:32:37,640 look

3084 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:37,740 at

3085 00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:37,960 really

3086 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:38,240 like

3087 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:38,500 this

3088 00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:39,140 like

3089 00:32:39,140 --> 00:32:39,280 the

3090 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:39,660 connection

3091 00:32:39,660 --> 00:32:40,080 between

3092 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,820 hardware

3093 00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:41,080 and

3094 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,540 security

3095 00:32:41,540 --> 00:32:41,840 it’s

3096 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:41,940 a

3097 00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:42,120 really

3098 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:42,520 interesting

3099 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:42,980 field

3100 00:32:42,980 --> 00:32:43,880 because

3101 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:44,080 it

3102 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:44,480 challenges

3103 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:44,940 a lot

3104 00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:45,080 of

3105 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:45,540 people’s

3106 00:32:45,540 --> 00:32:45,780 like

3107 00:32:45,780 --> 00:32:46,380 their

3108 00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:46,980 mindset

3109 00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:47,440 i

3110 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:47,800 wonder

3111 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:48,040 what

3112 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,080 the

3113 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:51,540 military

3114 00:32:51,540 --> 00:32:52,020 people

3115 00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:52,320 do

3116 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:52,540 if

3117 00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:52,860 they

3118 00:32:52,860 --> 00:32:53,140 just

3119 00:32:53,140 --> 00:32:53,640 take

3120 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:53,860 the

3121 00:32:53,860 --> 00:32:54,200 entire

3122 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:54,600 pc

3123 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,780 and

3124 00:32:55,780 --> 00:32:56,060 just

3125 00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:56,940 glue

3126 00:32:56,940 --> 00:32:57,200 it

3127 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:57,460 in

3128 00:32:57,460 --> 00:32:57,740 some

3129 00:32:57,740 --> 00:32:58,160 magic

3130 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:58,500 glue

3131 00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:58,720 which

3132 00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:58,900 should

3133 00:32:58,900 --> 00:32:59,160 make

3134 00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:59,460 it

3135 00:32:59,460 --> 00:33:00,640 incredibly

3136 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,120 hard

3137 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,460 to

3138 00:33:01,460 --> 00:33:02,260 disassemble

3139 00:33:02,260 --> 00:33:02,440 or

3140 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:02,700 something

3141 00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:03,140 because

3142 00:33:03,140 --> 00:33:04,320 well

3143 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:04,520 we

3144 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,040 mentioned

3145 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:05,260 that

3146 00:33:05,260 --> 00:33:05,360 i

3147 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:05,480 mean

3148 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:05,640 you

3149 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:05,880 can

3150 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,120 make

3151 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:06,260 it

3152 00:33:06,260 --> 00:33:06,540 harder

3153 00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:06,820 to

3154 00:33:06,820 --> 00:33:07,200 get

3155 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:07,460 to

3156 00:33:07,460 --> 00:33:07,620 the

3157 00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:07,860 flash

3158 00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:08,120 chip

3159 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:08,260 for

3160 00:33:08,260 --> 00:33:08,600 example

3161 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,020 that’s

3162 00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:09,160 one

3163 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:09,300 way

3164 00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:09,420 you

3165 00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:09,560 can

3166 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:09,780 make

3167 00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:10,080 it

3168 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,280 make

3169 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:11,620 life

3170 00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:12,000 difficult

3171 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:12,180 for

3172 00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:12,300 an

3173 00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:12,540 attacker

3174 00:33:12,540 --> 00:33:13,320 so

3175 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,000 it’s

3176 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:14,240 something

3177 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:14,460 if

3178 00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:14,800 you’re

3179 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,260 a

3180 00:33:15,260 --> 00:33:15,740 hobbyist

3181 00:33:15,740 --> 00:33:16,240 and

3182 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:16,520 you’re

3183 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,040 interested

3184 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:17,240 in

3185 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:17,380 this

3186 00:33:17,380 --> 00:33:17,600 stuff

3187 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:17,760 you

3188 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:17,980 might

3189 00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:18,280 want

3190 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:18,380 to

3191 00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:18,480 do

3192 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:18,640 that

3193 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:18,760 to

3194 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:18,920 your

3195 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,100 own

3196 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:19,400 computer

3197 00:33:26,060 --> 00:33:26,720 and

3198 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,360 submerge

3199 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:27,520 his

3200 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:27,900 motherboard

3201 00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:28,100 in

3202 00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:28,480 epoxy

3203 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,960 i

3204 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,460 think

3205 00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:30,680 some

3206 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,180 professional

3207 00:33:31,180 --> 00:33:31,480 vendor

3208 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:31,700 should

3209 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:31,860 do

3210 00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:32,000 it

3211 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,120 who

3212 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:32,500 sells

3213 00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:33,080 hardware

3214 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:33,940 i

3215 00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:34,140 just

3216 00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:34,380 talk

3217 00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:34,500 i

3218 00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:34,700 don’t

3219 00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:34,880 do

3220 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:35,220 things

3221 00:33:35,220 --> 00:33:36,840 well

3222 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,280 that’s

3223 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:37,480 about

3224 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:37,740 it

3225 00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:38,660 and

3226 00:33:38,660 --> 00:33:38,940 we’ll

3227 00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:39,180 see you

3228 00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:39,360 later

3229 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:39,580 in

3230 00:33:39,580 --> 00:33:40,280 another

3231 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:40,700 interview

3232 00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:41,220 bye

3233 00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:42,180 bye

3234 00:33:42,180 --> 00:33:42,660 so

3235 00:33:42,660 --> 00:33:43,080 hi

3236 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:43,200 and

3237 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:43,440 welcome

3238 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:43,920 to

3239 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,480 yet

3240 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:44,740 another

3241 00:33:44,740 --> 00:33:45,180 interview

3242 00:33:45,180 --> 00:33:45,480 here

3243 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:45,680 at

3244 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,060 SECT

3245 00:33:46,060 --> 00:33:48,220 yeah

3246 00:33:48,220 --> 00:33:48,800 i’m

3247 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:48,960 here

3248 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,260 with

3249 00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:49,740 peter

3250 00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:50,680 and

3251 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,100 myself

3252 00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:51,540 and

3253 00:33:51,540 --> 00:33:51,960 paulo

3254 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:52,280 who

3255 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:52,560 just

3256 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,060 done

3257 00:33:53,060 --> 00:33:53,260 a

3258 00:33:53,260 --> 00:33:53,600 great

3259 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,000 talk

3260 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:54,420 about

3261 00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:54,840 drone

3262 00:33:56,060 --> 00:33:56,660 yeah

3263 00:33:56,660 --> 00:33:57,020 thank you

3264 00:33:57,020 --> 00:33:57,440 very much

3265 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,000 more or less

3266 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,520 listing

3267 00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,440 interesting

3268 00:33:59,440 --> 00:33:59,780 attack

3269 00:33:59,780 --> 00:34:00,200 surfaces

3270 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,060 and

3271 00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:01,880 what you

3272 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:02,000 could

3273 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,320 do

3274 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:02,920 to

3275 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:03,720 yeah

3276 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:04,500 mess

3277 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:04,680 up

3278 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:04,820 the

3279 00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:05,100 drone

3280 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:05,740 experience

3281 00:34:05,740 --> 00:34:05,920 for

3282 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:06,180 people

3283 00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:06,400 right

3284 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:06,660 yeah

3285 00:34:06,660 --> 00:34:07,740 so

3286 00:34:07,740 --> 00:34:08,660 give

3287 00:34:08,660 --> 00:34:08,860 us

3288 00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:09,100 like

3289 00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:09,320 a

3290 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:09,780 quick

3291 00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:10,560 overview

3292 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:10,740 on

3293 00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:11,020 what

3294 00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:11,300 do

3295 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:11,400 you

3296 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,120 do

3297 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:12,340 in

3298 00:34:12,340 --> 00:34:12,480 your

3299 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:12,680 day

3300 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:12,780 to

3301 00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:12,900 day

3302 00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:13,220 job

3303 00:34:13,220 --> 00:34:13,400 and

3304 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:13,520 how

3305 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:13,660 do

3306 00:34:13,660 --> 00:34:13,760 you

3307 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:13,920 got

3308 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:14,360 into

3309 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,120 drone

3310 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,480 hacking

3311 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,080 oh

3312 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:16,380 well

3313 00:34:16,380 --> 00:34:17,300 in

3314 00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:17,540 my

3315 00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:17,940 day

3316 00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:18,080 to

3317 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:18,240 day

3318 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:18,600 job

3319 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:18,980 i’m

3320 00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:19,380 mostly

3321 00:34:19,380 --> 00:34:19,740 like

3322 00:34:19,740 --> 00:34:19,980 a

3323 00:34:19,980 --> 00:34:20,680 pentester

3324 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:21,440 or

3325 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,180 red

3326 00:34:22,180 --> 00:34:22,600 teamer

3327 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,020 even

3328 00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:23,340 if

3329 00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:24,000 now

3330 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,240 i’m

3331 00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:24,460 trying

3332 00:34:24,460 --> 00:34:24,640 to

3333 00:34:26,060 --> 00:34:26,140 you

3334 00:34:26,140 --> 00:34:26,380 know

3335 00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:27,060 application

3336 00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:27,700 security

3337 00:34:27,700 --> 00:34:28,540 and

3338 00:34:28,540 --> 00:34:29,040 vulnerability

3339 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:29,700 research

3340 00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:30,040 yeah

3341 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:30,400 so

3342 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:30,680 i’m

3343 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:30,900 trying

3344 00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:31,060 to

3345 00:34:31,060 --> 00:34:31,260 find

3346 00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:31,560 some

3347 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:31,900 cool

3348 00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:32,280 exploit

3349 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:32,500 for

3350 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:32,700 the

3351 00:34:32,700 --> 00:34:33,160 technology

3352 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:33,600 that

3353 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:33,800 we

3354 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:34,000 are

3355 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:34,460 all

3356 00:34:34,460 --> 00:34:34,860 using

3357 00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:35,260 yeah

3358 00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:35,700 but

3359 00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:35,880 it’s

3360 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,140 hard

3361 00:34:36,140 --> 00:34:38,180 and

3362 00:34:38,180 --> 00:34:38,780 well

3363 00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:39,160 for

3364 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:39,620 the

3365 00:34:39,620 --> 00:34:39,900 drone

3366 00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:40,300 hacking

3367 00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:41,940 well

3368 00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:43,120 first

3369 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:43,920 i

3370 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:44,180 bought

3371 00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:44,340 the

3372 00:34:44,340 --> 00:34:44,680 drone

3373 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,620 for

3374 00:34:45,620 --> 00:34:45,860 a

3375 00:34:45,860 --> 00:34:46,080 red

3376 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:46,280 team

3377 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:46,920 engagement

3378 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,680 so

3379 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,240 i

3380 00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:48,420 need

3381 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:48,560 the

3382 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:48,780 drone

3383 00:34:48,780 --> 00:34:49,000 to

3384 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:49,480 map

3385 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,560 the

3386 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,060 wifi

3387 00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:51,620 hotspot

3388 00:34:51,620 --> 00:34:51,980 in

3389 00:34:51,980 --> 00:34:52,180 a

3390 00:34:52,180 --> 00:34:52,620 very

3391 00:34:52,620 --> 00:34:52,880 big

3392 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:53,240 area

3393 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:55,040 and

3394 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:55,300 after

3395 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:55,500 that

3396 00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:55,660 i

3397 00:34:55,660 --> 00:34:55,900 was

3398 00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:56,600 generating

3399 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:57,340 the

3400 00:34:57,340 --> 00:34:57,740 wifi

3401 00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:58,580 map

3402 00:34:58,580 --> 00:34:58,980 of

3403 00:34:58,980 --> 00:34:59,420 all

3404 00:34:59,420 --> 00:34:59,540 the

3405 00:34:59,540 --> 00:35:00,000 hotspots

3406 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,720 and

3407 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:01,140 after

3408 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:01,460 that

3409 00:35:01,460 --> 00:35:01,720 you

3410 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,080 you

3411 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:03,300 had

3412 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:03,720 a

3413 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:04,280 device

3414 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:04,580 under

3415 00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:04,780 the

3416 00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:04,980 drone

3417 00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:05,320 yeah

3418 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:05,800 i

3419 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:06,240 plugged

3420 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:06,660 the

3421 00:35:06,660 --> 00:35:07,280 pineapple

3422 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:07,700 on

3423 00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:07,840 the

3424 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,140 drone

3425 00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:08,420 yeah

3426 00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:09,540 and

3427 00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:09,720 just

3428 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:10,040 flew

3429 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:10,460 with

3430 00:35:10,460 --> 00:35:10,660 the

3431 00:35:10,660 --> 00:35:12,480 that’s

3432 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:12,700 correct

3433 00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:12,940 yeah

3434 00:35:12,940 --> 00:35:13,780 and

3435 00:35:13,780 --> 00:35:14,580 after

3436 00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:14,900 that

3437 00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:15,240 i

3438 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:15,420 was

3439 00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:15,660 left

3440 00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:15,940 with

3441 00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:16,080 the

3442 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:16,380 drone

3443 00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:17,240 so

3444 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:18,480 it

3445 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:18,660 was

3446 00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:20,660 fun

3447 00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:20,860 to

3448 00:35:20,860 --> 00:35:21,280 fly

3449 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:21,620 with

3450 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:22,560 and

3451 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,220 so

3452 00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:23,820 i

3453 00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:24,220 thought

3454 00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:24,760 well

3455 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,060 maybe

3456 00:35:25,060 --> 00:35:25,380 it

3457 00:35:25,380 --> 00:35:25,540 can

3458 00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:25,820 also

3459 00:35:25,820 --> 00:35:25,880 be

3460 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:25,900 a

3461 00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:26,760 funny

3462 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:27,080 to

3463 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:27,420 you

3464 00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:27,540 know

3465 00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:27,860 better

3466 00:35:27,860 --> 00:35:28,420 understand

3467 00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:28,660 all

3468 00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:28,840 its

3469 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:29,240 work

3470 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:29,980 and

3471 00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:30,300 try

3472 00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:30,460 to

3473 00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:30,720 like

3474 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:30,900 it

3475 00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:31,140 why

3476 00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:31,360 not

3477 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:31,500 i

3478 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:31,620 mean

3479 00:35:31,620 --> 00:35:32,960 and

3480 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:33,280 that’s

3481 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:33,440 how

3482 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:33,580 it

3483 00:35:33,580 --> 00:35:33,980 started

3484 00:35:33,980 --> 00:35:34,320 yeah

3485 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,160 after

3486 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:35,400 that

3487 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:35,560 i

3488 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:35,780 also

3489 00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:36,080 bought

3490 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:36,540 you

3491 00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:36,800 know

3492 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,840 race

3493 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,280 drone

3494 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:38,780 yeah

3495 00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:39,460 different

3496 00:35:39,460 --> 00:35:41,100 experience

3497 00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:42,340 super

3498 00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:44,240 responsive

3499 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:45,160 yeah

3500 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,080 i

3501 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:47,300 really

3502 00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:47,540 like

3503 00:35:47,540 --> 00:35:47,840 flying

3504 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:48,280 yeah

3505 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:48,780 but

3506 00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:48,960 it’s

3507 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,180 fun

3508 00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:49,340 i

3509 00:35:49,340 --> 00:35:49,480 have

3510 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:49,620 a

3511 00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:49,920 mavic

3512 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,100 i

3513 00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:50,400 actually

3514 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:50,580 have

3515 00:35:50,580 --> 00:35:50,680 a

3516 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:50,880 couple

3517 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,020 of

3518 00:35:51,020 --> 00:35:51,340 drones

3519 00:35:51,340 --> 00:35:53,200 our

3520 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:53,540 listeners

3521 00:35:53,540 --> 00:35:53,760 didn’t

3522 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:53,980 know

3523 00:35:53,980 --> 00:35:54,180 it

3524 00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:54,420 because

3525 00:35:54,420 --> 00:35:54,580 i

3526 00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:55,180 broke

3527 00:35:55,180 --> 00:35:55,380 one

3528 00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:55,500 in

3529 00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:55,660 my

3530 00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:55,880 living

3531 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:56,120 room

3532 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:56,260 i

3533 00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:56,600 spent

3534 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:56,920 like

3535 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,240 it

3536 00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:57,360 was

3537 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:57,460 an

3538 00:35:57,460 --> 00:35:57,620 open

3539 00:35:57,620 --> 00:35:57,900 source

3540 00:35:57,900 --> 00:35:58,200 one

3541 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:58,980 it’s

3542 00:35:58,980 --> 00:35:59,120 called

3543 00:35:59,120 --> 00:35:59,540 nasa

3544 00:35:59,540 --> 00:36:00,240 and

3545 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:00,360 you

3546 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:00,480 have

3547 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:00,580 to

3548 00:36:00,580 --> 00:36:00,860 configure

3549 00:36:00,860 --> 00:36:01,220 everything

3550 00:36:01,220 --> 00:36:01,740 yourself

3551 00:36:01,740 --> 00:36:01,980 so

3552 00:36:01,980 --> 00:36:02,100 you

3553 00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:02,340 just

3554 00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:03,440 sort

3555 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:03,560 of

3556 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:03,760 like

3557 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:04,080 clone

3558 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:04,220 a

3559 00:36:04,220 --> 00:36:04,480 repo

3560 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,080 and

3561 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:05,220 then

3562 00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:05,320 you

3563 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:05,500 need

3564 00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:05,660 to

3565 00:36:05,660 --> 00:36:06,060 build

3566 00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:06,320 it

3567 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:06,860 and

3568 00:36:06,860 --> 00:36:07,020 i

3569 00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:07,160 have

3570 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:07,300 a

3571 00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:07,500 new

3572 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:08,560 drone

3573 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:08,840 after

3574 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:09,140 that

3575 00:36:09,140 --> 00:36:09,340 yeah

3576 00:36:09,340 --> 00:36:09,580 yeah

3577 00:36:09,580 --> 00:36:09,860 we’ll

3578 00:36:09,860 --> 00:36:10,100 come

3579 00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:10,220 to

3580 00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:10,400 that

3581 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:10,560 as

3582 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:10,720 well

3583 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:10,900 so

3584 00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:11,160 then

3585 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:11,420 yeah

3586 00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:11,600 i

3587 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:11,940 broke

3588 00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:12,140 it

3589 00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:12,280 and

3590 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:12,460 i

3591 00:36:12,460 --> 00:36:13,520 did

3592 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:13,740 a

3593 00:36:13,740 --> 00:36:14,060 lot

3594 00:36:14,060 --> 00:36:14,220 of

3595 00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:14,560 like

3596 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:15,080 try

3597 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:15,260 to

3598 00:36:15,260 --> 00:36:15,480 build

3599 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:15,720 stuff

3600 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:16,220 myself

3601 00:36:16,220 --> 00:36:16,880 and

3602 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:17,400 failing

3603 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:17,960 miserably

3604 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,180 and

3605 00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:18,300 i

3606 00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:18,680 shared

3607 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:18,860 it

3608 00:36:18,860 --> 00:36:18,960 to

3609 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:19,100 our

3610 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:19,320 audience

3611 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,020 because

3612 00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:20,600 you

3613 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:20,800 will

3614 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:21,220 understand

3615 00:36:21,220 --> 00:36:21,620 more

3616 00:36:21,620 --> 00:36:21,840 yeah

3617 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:22,080 for

3618 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:22,240 sure

3619 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:22,660 than

3620 00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:23,180 just

3621 00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:23,480 buying

3622 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:23,760 the

3623 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,040 product

3624 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:24,480 my

3625 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:24,720 way

3626 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:24,820 of

3627 00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:24,980 work

3628 00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:25,100 is

3629 00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:25,300 like

3630 00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:25,680 easier

3631 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:25,880 than

3632 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,160 yours

3633 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:26,360 because

3634 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:26,900 you’re

3635 00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:27,240 picking

3636 00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:27,580 a

3637 00:36:27,580 --> 00:36:28,320 proprietary

3638 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,340 thing

3639 00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:30,040 reversing

3640 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:30,180 the

3641 00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:30,520 protocols

3642 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:31,060 i

3643 00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:31,280 just

3644 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:31,600 download

3645 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:31,920 open

3646 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,220 source

3647 00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:32,420 and

3648 00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:32,580 try

3649 00:36:32,580 --> 00:36:32,780 but

3650 00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:33,140 i

3651 00:36:33,140 --> 00:36:33,500 really

3652 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:33,900 enjoyed

3653 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:34,060 the

3654 00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:34,360 thing

3655 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:34,960 and

3656 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:35,140 yeah

3657 00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:35,260 we

3658 00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:35,420 have

3659 00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:35,540 to

3660 00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:35,780 mention

3661 00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:35,980 that

3662 00:36:35,980 --> 00:36:36,120 i

3663 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:36,400 bought

3664 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:36,560 a

3665 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:36,920 ggi

3666 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:37,320 mavic

3667 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:37,600 pro

3668 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,880 brand

3669 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:39,300 new

3670 00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:40,220 took

3671 00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:40,320 it

3672 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:40,420 to

3673 00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:40,580 the

3674 00:36:40,580 --> 00:36:41,000 office

3675 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,820 plugged

3676 00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:42,000 it

3677 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:42,360 in

3678 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,560 went

3679 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:43,760 like

3680 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:43,980 this

3681 00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:44,220 okay

3682 00:36:44,220 --> 00:36:44,540 guys

3683 00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:44,680 we

3684 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:44,840 need

3685 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:45,000 to

3686 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:45,260 farm

3687 00:36:45,260 --> 00:36:45,420 or

3688 00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:45,740 update

3689 00:36:45,740 --> 00:36:46,040 this

3690 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:46,280 one

3691 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:46,460 so

3692 00:36:46,460 --> 00:36:47,180 please

3693 00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:47,900 do

3694 00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:48,140 not

3695 00:36:48,140 --> 00:36:48,540 move

3696 00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:49,100 touch

3697 00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:49,300 my

3698 00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:49,580 drone

3699 00:36:49,580 --> 00:36:50,740 he

3700 00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:50,960 was

3701 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:51,120 not

3702 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:51,260 in

3703 00:36:51,260 --> 00:36:51,400 the

3704 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:51,700 room

3705 00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:51,960 he

3706 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:52,260 comes

3707 00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:52,480 into

3708 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:52,660 the

3709 00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:52,860 room

3710 00:36:52,860 --> 00:36:53,100 oh

3711 00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:53,380 look

3712 00:36:53,380 --> 00:36:53,520 a

3713 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:53,840 drone

3714 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:54,840 just

3715 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,160 flies

3716 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:55,320 it

3717 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:55,660 right

3718 00:36:55,660 --> 00:36:55,840 up

3719 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,240 into

3720 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:56,700 the

3721 00:36:56,700 --> 00:36:59,060 office

3722 00:36:59,060 --> 00:37:00,040 it

3723 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:00,620 survived

3724 00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:01,240 but

3725 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:01,400 it’s

3726 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:01,600 like

3727 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:01,820 i

3728 00:37:01,820 --> 00:37:02,100 haven’t

3729 00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:02,280 even

3730 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:02,540 flown

3731 00:37:02,540 --> 00:37:02,680 it

3732 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:02,820 yet

3733 00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:02,940 and

3734 00:37:02,940 --> 00:37:03,140 he’s

3735 00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:03,400 already

3736 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:03,760 crashed

3737 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:03,940 it

3738 00:37:03,940 --> 00:37:05,220 it’s

3739 00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:05,560 terrible

3740 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,020 there

3741 00:37:06,020 --> 00:37:06,200 was

3742 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:06,320 a

3743 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:06,480 couple

3744 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:06,620 of

3745 00:37:06,620 --> 00:37:07,100 controls

3746 00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:07,380 and

3747 00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:07,960 oh

3748 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:08,160 you

3749 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:08,460 can

3750 00:37:08,460 --> 00:37:08,940 go

3751 00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:09,280 here

3752 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:09,680 and

3753 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:09,960 it

3754 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,040 asked

3755 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,980 me

3756 00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:13,160 do

3757 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:13,540 you

3758 00:37:13,540 --> 00:37:13,760 want

3759 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:13,920 it

3760 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,160 1.2

3761 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:15,480 meters

3762 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:15,820 height

3763 00:37:15,820 --> 00:37:16,020 and

3764 00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:16,160 i

3765 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:16,520 thought

3766 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,040 i’m

3767 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:17,280 much

3768 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:17,660 longer

3769 00:37:17,660 --> 00:37:17,900 than

3770 00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:18,760 1.2

3771 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,080 meters

3772 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:19,760 that’s

3773 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:19,880 not

3774 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,000 a

3775 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,320 problem

3776 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,120 launch

3777 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,100 i

3778 00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:23,340 honestly

3779 00:37:23,340 --> 00:37:23,640 was

3780 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,060 expecting

3781 00:37:24,060 --> 00:37:24,400 the

3782 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:24,900 film

3783 00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:25,060 were

3784 00:37:25,060 --> 00:37:25,260 to

3785 00:37:25,260 --> 00:37:25,560 break

3786 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:25,760 the

3787 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,140 drone

3788 00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:27,000 but

3789 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:27,480 it’s

3790 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:27,740 okay

3791 00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:27,960 i

3792 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,060 mean

3793 00:37:28,060 --> 00:37:28,320 yeah

3794 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:28,620 yeah

3795 00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:28,880 it

3796 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,200 survived

3797 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:30,680 so

3798 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,140 we’re

3799 00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:31,360 still

3800 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:31,820 friends

3801 00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:32,480 so

3802 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:32,700 yeah

3803 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:32,800 i

3804 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,180 guess

3805 00:37:33,180 --> 00:37:33,380 it’s

3806 00:37:33,380 --> 00:37:33,680 nice

3807 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:34,240 but

3808 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:35,640 how

3809 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:35,860 did

3810 00:37:35,860 --> 00:37:36,420 you

3811 00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:37,020 go

3812 00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:37,280 ahead

3813 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:37,360 you

3814 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:37,620 have

3815 00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:37,860 found

3816 00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:38,180 ways

3817 00:37:38,180 --> 00:37:38,380 to

3818 00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:38,780 get

3819 00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:38,920 the

3820 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:39,180 drone

3821 00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:39,960 down

3822 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:40,400 is

3823 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:40,680 what’s

3824 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:40,840 one

3825 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:40,960 of

3826 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:41,180 your

3827 00:37:41,180 --> 00:37:41,580 findings

3828 00:37:41,580 --> 00:37:42,180 yeah

3829 00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:42,800 to

3830 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,300 have

3831 00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:43,460 it

3832 00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:43,820 yeah

3833 00:37:43,820 --> 00:37:45,780 with

3834 00:37:45,780 --> 00:37:45,920 the

3835 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:46,240 gps

3836 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:46,660 attack

3837 00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:48,140 explain

3838 00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:48,500 for

3839 00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:48,660 our

3840 00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:49,560 listeners

3841 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:50,020 how

3842 00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:50,680 it

3843 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,160 works

3844 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:52,380 like

3845 00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:52,700 that

3846 00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:53,440 on

3847 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:53,960 dji

3848 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:54,900 phantom

3849 00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:55,260 3

3850 00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:55,600 and

3851 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:55,880 later

3852 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,340 models

3853 00:37:56,340 --> 00:37:57,420 they

3854 00:37:57,420 --> 00:37:57,800 have

3855 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,440 inbuilt

3856 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,140 geofencing

3857 00:38:00,140 --> 00:38:00,760 system

3858 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:01,360 or

3859 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:01,820 no

3860 00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:02,060 flight

3861 00:38:02,060 --> 00:38:02,280 zone

3862 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:02,620 list

3863 00:38:02,620 --> 00:38:03,440 so

3864 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,120 there

3865 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:04,280 are

3866 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:04,460 some

3867 00:38:04,460 --> 00:38:04,700 no

3868 00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:05,260 flight

3869 00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:05,400 zone

3870 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:05,880 location

3871 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:06,760 from

3872 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:07,140 which

3873 00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:07,340 you

3874 00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:07,480 can

3875 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:07,820 exclude

3876 00:38:07,820 --> 00:38:08,020 for

3877 00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:08,240 example

3878 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:08,840 airports

3879 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:09,160 or

3880 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:09,620 military

3881 00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:10,080 bases

3882 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:10,580 and

3883 00:38:10,580 --> 00:38:10,680 the

3884 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:10,840 drone

3885 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:11,120 cannot

3886 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:11,420 fly

3887 00:38:11,420 --> 00:38:11,700 in

3888 00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:12,500 and

3889 00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:13,340 if

3890 00:38:13,340 --> 00:38:13,560 with

3891 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,060 gps

3892 00:38:14,060 --> 00:38:14,420 you

3893 00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:14,560 are

3894 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:14,820 taking

3895 00:38:14,820 --> 00:38:15,100 one

3896 00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:15,220 of

3897 00:38:15,220 --> 00:38:15,380 these

3898 00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:15,580 no

3899 00:38:15,580 --> 00:38:15,720 flight

3900 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:15,860 zone

3901 00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:16,300 location

3902 00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:17,240 and

3903 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:23,140 the

3904 00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:23,380 drone

3905 00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:23,540 is

3906 00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:24,000 flying

3907 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,740 basically

3908 00:38:24,740 --> 00:38:25,080 it

3909 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:25,240 will

3910 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:25,480 get

3911 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:25,740 the

3912 00:38:25,740 --> 00:38:26,400 no

3913 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:26,580 flight

3914 00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:26,740 zone

3915 00:38:26,740 --> 00:38:27,140 signal

3916 00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:27,480 from

3917 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:27,960 gps

3918 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:28,900 and

3919 00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:29,520 it

3920 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:29,720 will

3921 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:29,980 be

3922 00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:30,300 forced

3923 00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:30,500 to

3924 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:30,860 land

3925 00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:31,380 since

3926 00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:31,820 it’s

3927 00:38:31,820 --> 00:38:32,140 inside

3928 00:38:32,140 --> 00:38:32,300 a

3929 00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:32,420 no

3930 00:38:32,420 --> 00:38:32,560 flight

3931 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:32,820 zone

3932 00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:34,060 while

3933 00:38:34,060 --> 00:38:34,500 if

3934 00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:34,720 the

3935 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:34,960 drone

3936 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:35,140 is

3937 00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:35,560 outside

3938 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:35,720 the

3939 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:35,860 no

3940 00:38:35,860 --> 00:38:36,000 flight

3941 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:36,280 zone

3942 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:36,700 it

3943 00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:36,880 will

3944 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,320 basically

3945 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,220 bounce

3946 00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:39,320 on the

3947 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:39,720 border

3948 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:40,160 of

3949 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:40,400 this

3950 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:40,920 invisible

3951 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:41,120 wall

3952 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,320 yeah

3953 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:42,820 it

3954 00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:42,960 will

3955 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:43,160 not

3956 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:43,580 enter

3957 00:38:43,580 --> 00:38:44,000 or

3958 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:44,820 well

3959 00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:44,980 it

3960 00:38:44,980 --> 00:38:45,220 really

3961 00:38:45,220 --> 00:38:45,480 depends

3962 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:45,700 but

3963 00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:45,920 yeah

3964 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:46,080 it

3965 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:46,180 will

3966 00:38:46,180 --> 00:38:46,580 basically

3967 00:38:46,580 --> 00:38:47,180 bounce

3968 00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:47,480 on

3969 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,100 the

3970 00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:48,200 wall

3971 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:48,560 you

3972 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,080 did

3973 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:49,320 that

3974 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:49,980 using

3975 00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:50,600 hack

3976 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:51,140 rf

3977 00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:51,480 and

3978 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:51,680 you

3979 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:52,140 also

3980 00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:52,460 needed

3981 00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:53,120 a

3982 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:53,540 external

3983 00:38:53,540 --> 00:38:54,000 clock

3984 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:54,420 yeah

3985 00:38:54,420 --> 00:38:54,860 that

3986 00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:55,120 was

3987 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:55,300 the

3988 00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:55,540 problem

3989 00:38:55,540 --> 00:38:55,760 with

3990 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,060 hack

3991 00:38:56,060 --> 00:38:56,560 rf

3992 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:57,060 because

3993 00:38:57,060 --> 00:38:57,680 hack

3994 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,000 rf

3995 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:58,620 is

3996 00:38:58,620 --> 00:38:58,940 a

3997 00:38:58,940 --> 00:38:59,760 very

3998 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,120 good

3999 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:00,560 piece

4000 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:00,720 of

4001 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:01,040 hardware

4002 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,200 but

4003 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:02,440 for

4004 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:02,960 gps

4005 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,300 attack

4006 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:04,820 gps

4007 00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:05,340 spoofing

4008 00:39:05,340 --> 00:39:05,820 it

4009 00:39:05,820 --> 00:39:05,960 is

4010 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,220 not

4011 00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:06,660 precise

4012 00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:07,020 enough

4013 00:39:07,020 --> 00:39:07,300 so

4014 00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:07,560 you

4015 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:07,700 have

4016 00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:07,840 to

4017 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,200 buy

4018 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:08,760 an

4019 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,140 external

4020 00:39:09,140 --> 00:39:09,540 clock

4021 00:39:09,540 --> 00:39:10,640 to

4022 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:10,880 make

4023 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:11,060 it

4024 00:39:11,060 --> 00:39:11,420 work

4025 00:39:11,420 --> 00:39:11,700 yeah

4026 00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:12,320 and

4027 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:12,860 it’s

4028 00:39:12,860 --> 00:39:13,100 not

4029 00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:14,760 expensive

4030 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,160 but

4031 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:15,400 you

4032 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:15,720 have

4033 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:15,880 to

4034 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:16,160 wait

4035 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:16,420 for

4036 00:39:16,420 --> 00:39:16,600 the

4037 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:16,860 external

4038 00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:17,100 clock

4039 00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:17,280 to

4040 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:17,580 arrive

4041 00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:17,960 from

4042 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:18,360 china

4043 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:18,640 so

4044 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,740 take

4045 00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:19,960 a

4046 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:20,300 month

4047 00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:20,840 just

4048 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:21,300 waiting

4049 00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:21,560 for

4050 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:21,880 this

4051 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,140 you

4052 00:39:22,140 --> 00:39:22,340 know

4053 00:39:22,340 --> 00:39:22,920 small

4054 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,180 like

4055 00:39:23,180 --> 00:39:23,400 that

4056 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:23,800 hardware

4057 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:24,260 that

4058 00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:24,380 you

4059 00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:24,720 just

4060 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:24,900 need

4061 00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:25,020 to

4062 00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:25,280 plug

4063 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:25,520 on

4064 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:25,620 the

4065 00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:25,800 hack

4066 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:26,120 rf

4067 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:26,420 so

4068 00:39:26,420 --> 00:39:26,840 yeah

4069 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:27,020 and

4070 00:39:27,020 --> 00:39:27,120 you

4071 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:27,360 also

4072 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:27,620 did

4073 00:39:27,620 --> 00:39:27,880 like

4074 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:28,280 analysis

4075 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:28,540 of

4076 00:39:28,540 --> 00:39:28,740 the

4077 00:39:28,740 --> 00:39:29,080 actual

4078 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:29,600 infrastructure

4079 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:30,160 between

4080 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:30,600 the

4081 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,680 rc

4082 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,060 device

4083 00:39:32,060 --> 00:39:32,480 and

4084 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:32,880 the

4085 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,680 remote

4086 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,060 controller

4087 00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:37,740 and

4088 00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:38,220 the

4089 00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:39,060 radio

4090 00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:39,680 signal

4091 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:40,900 while

4092 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:41,560 since it

4093 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,040 was a

4094 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:42,300 wifi

4095 00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:42,820 network

4096 00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:43,500 i was

4097 00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:43,800 just

4098 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:44,580 putting

4099 00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:44,980 something

4100 00:39:44,980 --> 00:39:45,400 in the

4101 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:45,660 middle

4102 00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:45,940 and

4103 00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:46,260 snooping

4104 00:39:46,260 --> 00:39:46,620 the

4105 00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:47,120 connection

4106 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:47,740 and

4107 00:39:47,740 --> 00:39:50,620 after

4108 00:39:50,620 --> 00:39:51,300 that i

4109 00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:51,460 got

4110 00:39:51,460 --> 00:39:51,700 the

4111 00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:52,020 shell

4112 00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:52,300 on

4113 00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:52,420 the

4114 00:39:52,420 --> 00:39:52,700 drone

4115 00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:53,300 i was

4116 00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:53,520 able

4117 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:53,700 to

4118 00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:53,940 run

4119 00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:54,700 tcp

4120 00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:54,980 dump

4121 00:39:54,980 --> 00:39:55,540 and

4122 00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:58,940 it

4123 00:39:58,940 --> 00:39:59,100 was

4124 00:39:59,100 --> 00:39:59,360 fun

4125 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,880 so

4126 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:01,700 what’s

4127 00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:02,080 next

4128 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:02,300 and

4129 00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:02,600 what’s

4130 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:02,880 the

4131 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,500 next

4132 00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:04,620 target

4133 00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:05,400 is

4134 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:05,500 it

4135 00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:05,780 still

4136 00:40:05,780 --> 00:40:06,220 dgi

4137 00:40:06,220 --> 00:40:06,740 you

4138 00:40:06,740 --> 00:40:07,020 spoke

4139 00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:07,280 about

4140 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:07,300 the

4141 00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:08,140 sdk

4142 00:40:08,140 --> 00:40:08,440 as

4143 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:08,600 well

4144 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:08,900 yeah

4145 00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:09,160 i

4146 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:09,380 spoke

4147 00:40:09,380 --> 00:40:09,580 about

4148 00:40:09,580 --> 00:40:09,740 the

4149 00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:10,060 sdk

4150 00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:10,420 because

4151 00:40:10,420 --> 00:40:10,960 sdk

4152 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:11,420 probably

4153 00:40:11,420 --> 00:40:12,760 will

4154 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:12,980 be

4155 00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:13,300 quite

4156 00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:13,560 the

4157 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,000 same

4158 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,580 for

4159 00:40:14,580 --> 00:40:15,120 all

4160 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:15,260 the

4161 00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:15,680 products

4162 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:16,520 if

4163 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:16,640 you

4164 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:16,760 are

4165 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:16,980 going

4166 00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:17,140 to

4167 00:40:17,140 --> 00:40:17,320 look

4168 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:17,500 at

4169 00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:17,740 the

4170 00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:18,160 dji

4171 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:18,840 application

4172 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,060 on

4173 00:40:19,060 --> 00:40:19,340 mobile

4174 00:40:19,340 --> 00:40:19,700 phone

4175 00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:20,720 the

4176 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:21,120 application

4177 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:21,360 is

4178 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:21,580 all

4179 00:40:21,580 --> 00:40:21,740 in

4180 00:40:21,740 --> 00:40:22,240 itself

4181 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:22,880 all

4182 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:23,060 the

4183 00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:23,560 configuration

4184 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,080 and

4185 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:24,300 all

4186 00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:24,480 the

4187 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:24,880 settings

4188 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:25,220 needed

4189 00:40:25,220 --> 00:40:25,660 for

4190 00:40:25,660 --> 00:40:27,660 all

4191 00:40:27,660 --> 00:40:27,840 the

4192 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,220 version

4193 00:40:28,220 --> 00:40:29,100 like

4194 00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:29,340 the

4195 00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:29,660 first

4196 00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:30,100 second

4197 00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:30,320 and

4198 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:30,480 third

4199 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:30,780 one

4200 00:40:30,780 --> 00:40:31,060 of

4201 00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:31,520 phantom

4202 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,120 and

4203 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:32,520 other

4204 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:32,980 models

4205 00:40:32,980 --> 00:40:33,420 and

4206 00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:33,760 also

4207 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:34,220 other

4208 00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:35,160 dji

4209 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:35,740 equipment

4210 00:40:35,740 --> 00:40:36,320 so

4211 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,060 while

4212 00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:37,760 models

4213 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:37,980 that

4214 00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:38,200 are

4215 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:38,540 later

4216 00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:38,900 the

4217 00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:39,480 third

4218 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:39,920 version

4219 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,640 and

4220 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:40,940 they

4221 00:40:40,940 --> 00:40:41,180 have

4222 00:40:41,180 --> 00:40:41,500 another

4223 00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:41,940 different

4224 00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:42,500 application

4225 00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:43,120 so

4226 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:43,860 i

4227 00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:44,000 don’t

4228 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,240 know

4229 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:45,140 maybe

4230 00:40:45,140 --> 00:40:46,020 next

4231 00:40:46,020 --> 00:40:46,480 will

4232 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:46,800 be

4233 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,440 getting

4234 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:47,680 the

4235 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:47,940 last

4236 00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:48,320 model

4237 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:48,900 and

4238 00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:49,320 redo

4239 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:49,580 all

4240 00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:49,740 this

4241 00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:50,000 stuff

4242 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:50,180 on

4243 00:40:50,180 --> 00:40:50,460 the

4244 00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:50,680 last

4245 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:50,980 model

4246 00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:51,160 of

4247 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:51,480 dji

4248 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:51,940 or

4249 00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:52,340 maybe

4250 00:40:52,340 --> 00:40:52,980 taking

4251 00:40:52,980 --> 00:40:53,320 something

4252 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:53,660 more

4253 00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:54,480 complex

4254 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:54,640 i

4255 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:54,740 don’t

4256 00:40:54,740 --> 00:40:54,960 know

4257 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:55,820 some

4258 00:40:55,820 --> 00:40:56,860 bigger

4259 00:40:56,860 --> 00:41:00,820 well

4260 00:41:00,820 --> 00:41:01,200 i

4261 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:01,380 think

4262 00:41:01,380 --> 00:41:01,700 that’s

4263 00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:01,920 it

4264 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,220 right

4265 00:41:02,220 --> 00:41:02,580 yeah

4266 00:41:02,580 --> 00:41:03,120 do

4267 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:03,220 you

4268 00:41:03,220 --> 00:41:03,360 have

4269 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:03,900 some

4270 00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:04,720 like

4271 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:05,060 remote

4272 00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:05,660 exploits

4273 00:41:05,660 --> 00:41:06,100 yeah

4274 00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:06,800 yeah

4275 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:07,200 we

4276 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:07,280 can

4277 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:07,700 we

4278 00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:07,900 can

4279 00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:08,460 what

4280 00:41:08,460 --> 00:41:08,760 do

4281 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:08,780 you

4282 00:41:08,780 --> 00:41:08,880 mean

4283 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:09,220 remote

4284 00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:09,820 exploits

4285 00:41:09,820 --> 00:41:10,540 like

4286 00:41:10,540 --> 00:41:10,780 the

4287 00:41:10,780 --> 00:41:11,220 dps

4288 00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:11,460 thing

4289 00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:12,700 yeah

4290 00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:12,960 yeah

4291 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:13,260 in

4292 00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:13,400 the

4293 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:13,620 wifi

4294 00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:13,980 network

4295 00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:14,140 you

4296 00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:14,320 got

4297 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:14,620 the

4298 00:41:14,620 --> 00:41:15,620 shell

4299 00:41:15,620 --> 00:41:17,400 on

4300 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,080 the

4301 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:18,420 drone

4302 00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:19,140 but

4303 00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:19,700 speaking

4304 00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:20,040 about

4305 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:20,560 full

4306 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,080 remote

4307 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:21,640 attacks

4308 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:22,680 they

4309 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:23,160 all

4310 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:23,460 have

4311 00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:23,680 the

4312 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:24,560 prerequisite

4313 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:25,080 of

4314 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:25,980 being

4315 00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:26,940 having

4316 00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:27,120 a

4317 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:27,520 device

4318 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:27,960 inside

4319 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:28,480 the

4320 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,200 drone

4321 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:29,640 network

4322 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:29,860 yeah

4323 00:41:29,860 --> 00:41:30,060 in

4324 00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:30,180 the

4325 00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:30,380 wifi

4326 00:41:30,380 --> 00:41:30,720 network

4327 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:30,900 yeah

4328 00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:31,220 so

4329 00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:32,480 otherwise

4330 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:32,800 you

4331 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:33,380 cannot

4332 00:41:33,380 --> 00:41:33,780 issue

4333 00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:34,240 commands

4334 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:34,460 on

4335 00:41:34,460 --> 00:41:34,860 the

4336 00:41:34,860 --> 00:41:35,200 drone

4337 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,120 and

4338 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:36,860 so

4339 00:41:36,860 --> 00:41:37,080 yeah

4340 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:37,480 maybe

4341 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:37,920 another

4342 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:38,240 things

4343 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:38,400 that

4344 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:38,540 I

4345 00:41:38,540 --> 00:41:38,680 can

4346 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:38,940 do

4347 00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:39,380 since

4348 00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:39,900 the

4349 00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:41,020 system

4350 00:41:41,020 --> 00:41:41,260 of

4351 00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:42,480 the

4352 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:42,760 phantom

4353 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,040 tree

4354 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:43,540 is

4355 00:41:43,540 --> 00:41:43,740 full

4356 00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:43,900 of

4357 00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:44,220 custom

4358 00:41:44,220 --> 00:41:44,600 binary

4359 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,040 and

4360 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:45,280 some

4361 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:45,460 of

4362 00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:45,740 them

4363 00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:46,020 are

4364 00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:46,460 listening

4365 00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:47,000 on

4366 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:47,140 the

4367 00:41:47,140 --> 00:41:47,480 network

4368 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,120 I

4369 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:48,260 can

4370 00:41:48,260 --> 00:41:48,420 try

4371 00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:48,560 to

4372 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:48,860 reverse

4373 00:41:48,860 --> 00:41:49,260 engineering

4374 00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:49,540 them

4375 00:41:49,540 --> 00:41:49,820 find

4376 00:41:49,820 --> 00:41:50,100 some

4377 00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:50,640 exploit

4378 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,040 and

4379 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:51,580 yeah

4380 00:41:51,580 --> 00:41:52,840 just

4381 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,200 knock

4382 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:53,420 down

4383 00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:53,580 the

4384 00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:53,860 drone

4385 00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:54,380 while

4386 00:41:54,380 --> 00:41:54,620 it’s

4387 00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:54,960 flying

4388 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,320 system

4389 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:56,900 was

4390 00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:57,400 based

4391 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:57,740 on

4392 00:41:57,740 --> 00:41:58,180 old

4393 00:41:58,180 --> 00:41:58,680 version

4394 00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,040 of

4395 00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:59,340 open

4396 00:41:59,340 --> 00:41:59,680 VR

4397 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:00,780 14

4398 00:42:00,780 --> 00:42:02,440 years

4399 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:02,740 quite

4400 00:42:02,740 --> 00:42:02,980 old

4401 00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:03,200 right

4402 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:03,440 yeah

4403 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,140 and

4404 00:42:05,140 --> 00:42:05,320 they

4405 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:05,600 didn’t

4406 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:05,900 upgrade

4407 00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:06,220 it

4408 00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:06,400 so

4409 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:06,560 no

4410 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,060 yeah

4411 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:07,540 no

4412 00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:07,700 but

4413 00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:07,820 they

4414 00:42:07,820 --> 00:42:08,120 never

4415 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:08,340 do

4416 00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:08,580 like

4417 00:42:08,580 --> 00:42:08,780 they

4418 00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:09,460 use

4419 00:42:09,460 --> 00:42:09,660 their

4420 00:42:09,660 --> 00:42:09,920 busy

4421 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:10,260 books

4422 00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:11,300 like

4423 00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:11,840 generics

4424 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:12,020 and

4425 00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:12,180 then

4426 00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:12,320 they

4427 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:12,600 just

4428 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,340 build

4429 00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:13,540 on

4430 00:42:13,540 --> 00:42:13,720 top

4431 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:13,820 of

4432 00:42:13,820 --> 00:42:13,960 it

4433 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:14,560 that’s

4434 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:14,960 how

4435 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:15,280 it’s

4436 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:15,520 supposed

4437 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:15,660 to

4438 00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:15,880 work

4439 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:16,320 do

4440 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:16,380 you

4441 00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:16,500 have

4442 00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:16,760 anything

4443 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:16,940 to

4444 00:42:16,940 --> 00:42:17,240 plug

4445 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:17,360 do

4446 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:17,420 you

4447 00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:17,520 have

4448 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:17,840 anything

4449 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:18,180 that

4450 00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:18,380 the

4451 00:42:18,380 --> 00:42:18,700 audience

4452 00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:18,880 should

4453 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:19,040 know

4454 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:19,280 about

4455 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:19,520 you

4456 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:19,980 like

4457 00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:20,140 your

4458 00:42:20,140 --> 00:42:20,380 twitter

4459 00:42:20,380 --> 00:42:20,900 handle

4460 00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:21,480 a

4461 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,280 website

4462 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,000 that

4463 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,180 is

4464 00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:24,620 called

4465 00:42:24,620 --> 00:42:25,220 void

4466 00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:25,480 sec

4467 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:25,780 dot

4468 00:42:25,780 --> 00:42:26,100 com

4469 00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:26,680 so

4470 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,700 on

4471 00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:27,900 that

4472 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:28,540 website

4473 00:42:28,540 --> 00:42:28,780 I

4474 00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:29,100 publish

4475 00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:29,360 all

4476 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:29,540 my

4477 00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:30,020 research

4478 00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:30,380 and

4479 00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:30,980 vulnerabilities

4480 00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:31,400 and

4481 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:31,980 articles

4482 00:42:31,980 --> 00:42:32,400 so

4483 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,200 you

4484 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,380 should

4485 00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:39,840 for sure

4486 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,280 check out

4487 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:40,500 void

4488 00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:40,640 sec

4489 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:40,840 dot

4490 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:41,080 com

4491 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:41,880 and

4492 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,180 looking

4493 00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:43,240 forward

4494 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:43,440 to

4495 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:43,700 seeing

4496 00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:43,920 more

4497 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:44,020 of

4498 00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:44,100 your

4499 00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:44,420 work

4500 00:42:44,420 --> 00:42:45,020 why

4501 00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:45,260 not

4502 00:42:45,260 --> 00:42:46,300 thank

4503 00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:46,460 you

4504 00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:46,660 so

4505 00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:46,860 much

4506 00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:48,280 sweet

4507 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,280 and

4508 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:49,460 we’re

4509 00:42:49,460 --> 00:42:49,940 done

4510 00:42:49,940 --> 00:42:51,440 welcome

4511 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:51,860 back

4512 00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:52,160 to

4513 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:52,600 podcast

4514 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,320 live

4515 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,240 live

4516 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:55,340 in

4517 00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:55,440 the

4518 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:55,760 streaming

4519 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:55,940 and

4520 00:42:55,940 --> 00:42:56,180 sitting

4521 00:42:56,180 --> 00:42:56,420 here

4522 00:42:56,420 --> 00:42:56,800 with

4523 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,220 Mattias

4524 00:42:57,220 --> 00:42:57,380 and

4525 00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:58,680 our

4526 00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:58,980 guests

4527 00:42:58,980 --> 00:42:59,200 for

4528 00:42:59,200 --> 00:42:59,480 today

4529 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:00,340 welcome

4530 00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:00,920 back

4531 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,300 to

4532 00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:02,180 podcast

4533 00:43:02,180 --> 00:43:03,860 it’s

4534 00:43:03,860 --> 00:43:05,720 been a

4535 00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:06,000 year

4536 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:06,440 since

4537 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:06,720 last

4538 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:06,940 time

4539 00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:07,060 right

4540 00:43:07,060 --> 00:43:07,080 yeah

4541 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:07,740 well

4542 00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:07,840 I

4543 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:08,000 liked

4544 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:08,120 it

4545 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:08,260 so

4546 00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:08,520 much

4547 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:08,660 I

4548 00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:08,780 had

4549 00:43:08,780 --> 00:43:08,880 to

4550 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,020 come

4551 00:43:09,020 --> 00:43:09,280 back

4552 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:09,580 yeah

4553 00:43:09,580 --> 00:43:09,880 we’re

4554 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,080 happy

4555 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:10,240 to

4556 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:10,400 have

4557 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:10,540 you

4558 00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:11,640 so

4559 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:11,940 you’ve

4560 00:43:11,940 --> 00:43:12,120 just

4561 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:12,300 been

4562 00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:12,600 talking

4563 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,100 about

4564 00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:13,880 well

4565 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:14,120 I

4566 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:14,380 just

4567 00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:14,680 said

4568 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:14,880 why

4569 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:15,020 we

4570 00:43:15,020 --> 00:43:15,220 can’t

4571 00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:15,320 have

4572 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:15,580 nice

4573 00:43:15,580 --> 00:43:15,920 things

4574 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:16,840 but

4575 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,680 I

4576 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,180 understand

4577 00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:18,380 that

4578 00:43:18,380 --> 00:43:18,560 point

4579 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:18,680 of

4580 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:18,820 view

4581 00:43:18,820 --> 00:43:19,440 so

4582 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:19,920 talk

4583 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:20,080 was

4584 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:20,320 on

4585 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,520 security

4586 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,280 vulnerabilities

4587 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:22,760 of

4588 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,280 unmanned

4589 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:23,400 and

4590 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:23,720 autonomous

4591 00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:24,160 systems

4592 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:24,600 but

4593 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:24,780 the

4594 00:43:24,780 --> 00:43:25,000 point

4595 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:25,200 is

4596 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:25,360 so

4597 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:25,460 that

4598 00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:25,580 we

4599 00:43:25,580 --> 00:43:25,880 can

4600 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,080 have

4601 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:26,340 nice

4602 00:43:26,340 --> 00:43:26,740 things

4603 00:43:26,740 --> 00:43:27,180 to

4604 00:43:27,180 --> 00:43:27,380 make

4605 00:43:27,380 --> 00:43:27,620 sure

4606 00:43:27,620 --> 00:43:27,800 that

4607 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:27,900 we

4608 00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:28,080 don’t

4609 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:28,300 mess

4610 00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:28,400 it

4611 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:28,640 up

4612 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:29,160 but

4613 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:37,840 we

4614 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,040 really

4615 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:38,200 have

4616 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:38,280 to

4617 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:38,380 get

4618 00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:38,540 this

4619 00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:38,820 right

4620 00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:39,500 otherwise

4621 00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:39,760 it

4622 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:39,840 could

4623 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:39,920 be

4624 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:40,140 total

4625 00:43:40,140 --> 00:43:40,500 chaos

4626 00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:40,740 but

4627 00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:40,920 the

4628 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,100 thing

4629 00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:41,300 is

4630 00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:41,500 what

4631 00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:41,640 we

4632 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:41,840 have

4633 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:42,060 right

4634 00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:42,360 now

4635 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:42,640 is

4636 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:42,900 total

4637 00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:43,320 chaos

4638 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,500 3,000

4639 00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:44,880 Americans

4640 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,260 die

4641 00:43:45,260 --> 00:43:45,520 a year

4642 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:45,640 on

4643 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:45,740 the

4644 00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:46,020 roads

4645 00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:46,940 so

4646 00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:47,100 it’s

4647 00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:47,320 like

4648 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,060 a

4649 00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:48,480 9-11

4650 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:48,740 every

4651 00:43:48,740 --> 00:43:49,080 month

4652 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,980 it’s

4653 00:43:50,980 --> 00:43:52,900 like

4654 00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:53,260 total

4655 00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:55,940 carnage

4656 00:43:55,940 --> 00:43:56,700 we

4657 00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:57,300 can

4658 00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:57,400 do

4659 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:57,660 better

4660 00:43:57,660 --> 00:43:57,920 and

4661 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:58,280 robots

4662 00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,060 will

4663 00:43:59,060 --> 00:43:59,140 make

4664 00:43:59,140 --> 00:43:59,160 it

4665 00:43:59,160 --> 00:43:59,540 do

4666 00:43:59,540 --> 00:43:59,800 better

4667 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:00,140 robots

4668 00:44:00,140 --> 00:44:00,320 are

4669 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:00,480 the

4670 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:00,840 future

4671 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,080 I

4672 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:01,360 guess

4673 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:01,700 but

4674 00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:02,580 it

4675 00:44:02,580 --> 00:44:02,740 seems

4676 00:44:02,740 --> 00:44:02,900 like

4677 00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:03,020 we

4678 00:44:03,020 --> 00:44:03,200 still

4679 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:03,320 have

4680 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:03,420 a

4681 00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:03,580 ways

4682 00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:03,700 to

4683 00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:03,960 go

4684 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:04,740 well

4685 00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:04,860 we

4686 00:44:04,860 --> 00:44:05,080 just

4687 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:05,420 you

4688 00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:05,500 know

4689 00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:05,640 there’s

4690 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:05,800 a lot

4691 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:05,920 of

4692 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:06,140 technical

4693 00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:06,560 challenges

4694 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:07,520 and

4695 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,020 then

4696 00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:09,280 I

4697 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:09,500 think

4698 00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:10,080 people

4699 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:10,260 get

4700 00:44:10,260 --> 00:44:10,520 caught

4701 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:10,720 up

4702 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:10,880 in

4703 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:11,120 solving

4704 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:11,300 those

4705 00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:11,580 technical

4706 00:44:11,580 --> 00:44:12,060 challenges

4707 00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:12,420 because

4708 00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:12,620 they’re

4709 00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:12,740 so

4710 00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:13,140 difficult

4711 00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:14,100 because

4712 00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:15,280 they’re

4713 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,060 interesting

4714 00:44:16,060 --> 00:44:16,440 and

4715 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:16,580 they’re

4716 00:44:16,580 --> 00:44:16,700 on

4717 00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:17,020 that

4718 00:44:17,020 --> 00:44:17,540 critical

4719 00:44:17,540 --> 00:44:18,060 path

4720 00:44:18,060 --> 00:44:18,480 from

4721 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:18,720 where

4722 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:18,860 we

4723 00:44:18,860 --> 00:44:19,100 are

4724 00:44:19,100 --> 00:44:19,280 to

4725 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:19,380 where

4726 00:44:19,380 --> 00:44:19,500 we

4727 00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:19,620 want

4728 00:44:19,620 --> 00:44:19,720 to

4729 00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:19,960 be

4730 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,580 and

4731 00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:20,920 so

4732 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,060 maybe

4733 00:44:22,060 --> 00:44:22,300 just

4734 00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:22,540 like

4735 00:44:22,540 --> 00:44:22,760 the

4736 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:23,000 internet

4737 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:23,200 was

4738 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:23,580 developed

4739 00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:24,760 without

4740 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:25,300 security

4741 00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:25,900 the

4742 00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:26,180 worry

4743 00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:26,540 is

4744 00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:26,880 that

4745 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,120 we

4746 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:27,300 won’t

4747 00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:27,520 think

4748 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:27,680 of

4749 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:28,300 vulnerabilities

4750 00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:28,640 until

4751 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:28,900 too

4752 00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:29,100 late

4753 00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:29,300 so

4754 00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:29,500 that’s

4755 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:29,600 why

4756 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:29,720 we

4757 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:29,840 need

4758 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:29,960 to

4759 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:30,220 think

4760 00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:30,520 now

4761 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:30,860 about

4762 00:44:30,860 --> 00:44:31,820 the

4763 00:44:31,820 --> 00:44:32,020 fact

4764 00:44:32,020 --> 00:44:32,180 that

4765 00:44:32,180 --> 00:44:32,360 not

4766 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:32,560 everyone

4767 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:32,780 out

4768 00:44:32,780 --> 00:44:32,960 there

4769 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,140 is

4770 00:44:33,140 --> 00:44:33,300 a

4771 00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:33,480 nice

4772 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:33,800 guy

4773 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,440 some

4774 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,360 bad

4775 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:35,580 things

4776 00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:35,740 might

4777 00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:36,000 happen

4778 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:36,180 so

4779 00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:36,280 we

4780 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:36,400 gotta

4781 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,000 think

4782 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:37,220 about

4783 00:44:37,220 --> 00:44:37,380 that

4784 00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:37,500 and

4785 00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:37,640 make

4786 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:37,860 sure

4787 00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:38,380 at

4788 00:44:38,380 --> 00:44:38,540 every

4789 00:44:38,540 --> 00:44:38,760 step

4790 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:38,860 in

4791 00:44:38,860 --> 00:44:38,940 the

4792 00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:39,340 process

4793 00:44:39,340 --> 00:44:39,940 we’re

4794 00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:40,060 sort

4795 00:44:40,060 --> 00:44:40,140 of

4796 00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:40,320 thinking

4797 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:40,560 about

4798 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:40,720 the

4799 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:41,000 security

4800 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:41,460 implications

4801 00:44:41,460 --> 00:44:41,760 too

4802 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,060 I

4803 00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:43,240 would

4804 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:43,460 agree

4805 00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:43,760 that

4806 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,540 today

4807 00:44:44,540 --> 00:44:44,900 like

4808 00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:45,020 we

4809 00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:45,140 have

4810 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:53,300 a

4811 00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:53,480 pretty

4812 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:54,040 low

4813 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,360 accidental

4814 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,280 ratio

4815 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:56,820 compared

4816 00:44:56,820 --> 00:44:57,020 to

4817 00:44:57,020 --> 00:44:57,460 humans

4818 00:44:57,460 --> 00:44:58,240 but

4819 00:44:58,240 --> 00:44:58,400 I

4820 00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:58,500 would

4821 00:44:58,500 --> 00:44:58,660 say

4822 00:44:58,660 --> 00:44:58,840 that

4823 00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,120 that’s

4824 00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:59,260 sort

4825 00:44:59,260 --> 00:44:59,340 of

4826 00:44:59,340 --> 00:44:59,680 a

4827 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:00,540 psychological

4828 00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:01,620 challenge

4829 00:45:01,620 --> 00:45:01,960 because

4830 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:02,280 people

4831 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:02,480 want

4832 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:02,560 to

4833 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:02,720 be

4834 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:02,960 in

4835 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,420 control

4836 00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:04,880 and

4837 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:05,100 if

4838 00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:05,240 they

4839 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:05,620 aren’t

4840 00:45:05,620 --> 00:45:05,860 they

4841 00:45:05,860 --> 00:45:06,460 want

4842 00:45:06,460 --> 00:45:06,640 it

4843 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:06,760 to

4844 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:06,980 be

4845 00:45:06,980 --> 00:45:07,820 foolproof

4846 00:45:07,820 --> 00:45:08,740 it’s

4847 00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:08,900 really

4848 00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:09,160 hard

4849 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:09,280 to

4850 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:09,440 do

4851 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:09,620 that

4852 00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:10,000 it’s

4853 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,160 like

4854 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:10,300 the

4855 00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:10,620 old

4856 00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:11,080 should

4857 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:11,180 you

4858 00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:11,360 drive

4859 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:11,500 a

4860 00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:11,840 car

4861 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,100 or

4862 00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:12,360 take

4863 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:12,960 an

4864 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:13,380 airplane

4865 00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:14,340 they

4866 00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:16,780 drive

4867 00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:17,120 instead

4868 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:17,260 and

4869 00:45:17,260 --> 00:45:17,440 they’re

4870 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:17,860 swapping

4871 00:45:17,860 --> 00:45:18,380 the

4872 00:45:18,380 --> 00:45:18,720 safest

4873 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:18,980 form

4874 00:45:18,980 --> 00:45:19,080 of

4875 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:19,460 transport

4876 00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:19,660 that

4877 00:45:19,660 --> 00:45:19,900 humans

4878 00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:20,060 have

4879 00:45:20,060 --> 00:45:20,200 ever

4880 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:20,500 done

4881 00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:20,760 for

4882 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,120 an

4883 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:21,460 incredibly

4884 00:45:21,460 --> 00:45:21,940 dangerous

4885 00:45:21,940 --> 00:45:22,280 point

4886 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:22,380 so

4887 00:45:22,380 --> 00:45:22,580 I

4888 00:45:22,580 --> 00:45:22,720 can

4889 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:22,900 see

4890 00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:23,140 that

4891 00:45:23,140 --> 00:45:23,480 aspect

4892 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:23,700 but

4893 00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:23,860 then

4894 00:45:23,860 --> 00:45:24,100 again

4895 00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:24,300 if

4896 00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:24,480 you

4897 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:24,940 look

4898 00:45:24,940 --> 00:45:25,120 at

4899 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:25,600 where

4900 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:25,800 we

4901 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:25,980 are

4902 00:45:25,980 --> 00:45:26,260 today

4903 00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:26,480 with

4904 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:26,960 autonomous

4905 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:27,340 like

4906 00:45:27,340 --> 00:45:27,680 real

4907 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:28,040 autonomous

4908 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:28,420 drive

4909 00:45:28,420 --> 00:45:28,920 we’re

4910 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:29,140 still

4911 00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:29,320 a

4912 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:29,740 long

4913 00:45:29,740 --> 00:45:29,980 way

4914 00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:30,120 to

4915 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:30,380 go

4916 00:45:30,380 --> 00:45:30,620 for

4917 00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:30,780 the

4918 00:45:30,780 --> 00:45:31,380 car

4919 00:45:31,380 --> 00:45:31,640 to

4920 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:32,120 actually

4921 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,120 manage

4922 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:33,360 to

4923 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:33,780 navigate

4924 00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:34,140 a

4925 00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:34,440 modern

4926 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:34,820 traffic

4927 00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:35,200 landscape

4928 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:35,540 on

4929 00:45:35,540 --> 00:45:35,680 its

4930 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:36,040 own

4931 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:36,900 like

4932 00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:37,080 you

4933 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:37,300 get

4934 00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:37,780 a

4935 00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:38,340 controlled

4936 00:45:38,340 --> 00:45:38,980 area

4937 00:45:38,980 --> 00:45:39,420 with

4938 00:45:39,420 --> 00:45:39,620 a

4939 00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:39,880 really

4940 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:40,500 dedicated

4941 00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:41,040 path

4942 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:41,380 like

4943 00:45:41,380 --> 00:45:42,060 airport

4944 00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:42,520 shuttle

4945 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:42,680 or

4946 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:42,880 something

4947 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:43,100 like

4948 00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:43,360 that

4949 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,140 fine

4950 00:45:44,140 --> 00:45:44,620 but

4951 00:45:44,620 --> 00:45:44,800 when

4952 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:44,880 you

4953 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,040 come

4954 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:45,140 to

4955 00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:45,240 a

4956 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:45,560 complex

4957 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:45,960 environment

4958 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,200 where

4959 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:46,400 things

4960 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:46,700 start

4961 00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:47,180 moving

4962 00:45:47,180 --> 00:45:47,680 and

4963 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:48,020 especially

4964 00:45:48,020 --> 00:45:48,280 where

4965 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:48,420 you

4966 00:45:48,420 --> 00:45:48,720 have

4967 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:49,100 other

4968 00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:49,780 people

4969 00:45:49,780 --> 00:45:50,200 driving

4970 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:50,520 cars

4971 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:50,700 as

4972 00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:50,920 well

4973 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:51,200 yeah

4974 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:51,940 that

4975 00:45:51,940 --> 00:45:52,280 makes

4976 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:52,420 it

4977 00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:52,660 even

4978 00:45:52,660 --> 00:45:53,040 worse

4979 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:53,520 so

4980 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:53,620 I

4981 00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:53,740 would

4982 00:45:53,740 --> 00:45:53,900 say

4983 00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:54,780 there’s

4984 00:45:54,780 --> 00:45:55,380 still

4985 00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:56,260 a

4986 00:45:56,260 --> 00:45:56,720 lot

4987 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:56,880 of

4988 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,220 technical

4989 00:45:57,220 --> 00:45:57,700 challenges

4990 00:45:57,700 --> 00:45:58,040 to be

4991 00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:58,240 solved

4992 00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:58,460 until

4993 00:45:58,460 --> 00:45:58,700 we

4994 00:45:58,700 --> 00:45:58,940 can

4995 00:45:58,940 --> 00:45:59,680 realize

4996 00:45:59,680 --> 00:45:59,980 the

4997 00:45:59,980 --> 00:46:00,440 potential

4998 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:00,840 yeah

4999 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:01,080 that’s

5000 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:01,280 true

5001 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:01,460 but

5002 00:46:01,460 --> 00:46:01,760 let’s

5003 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,300 remember

5004 00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:02,480 we’re

5005 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:02,600 not

5006 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:02,740 just

5007 00:46:02,740 --> 00:46:02,940 talking

5008 00:46:02,940 --> 00:46:03,140 about

5009 00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:03,520 cars

5010 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:03,800 and

5011 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:03,980 not

5012 00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:04,120 just

5013 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:04,300 talking

5014 00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:04,760 about

5015 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,640 aerial

5016 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,120 vehicles

5017 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:07,640 and

5018 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:08,380 boats

5019 00:46:08,380 --> 00:46:09,560 maritime

5020 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,380 space

5021 00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:12,140 is

5022 00:46:12,140 --> 00:46:13,020 ripe

5023 00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:13,480 for

5024 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,420 autonomous

5025 00:46:14,420 --> 00:46:14,860 systems

5026 00:46:14,860 --> 00:46:15,240 because

5027 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:15,480 the

5028 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:15,740 sea

5029 00:46:15,740 --> 00:46:15,960 is

5030 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:16,440 dangerous

5031 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,280 sea

5032 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:18,520 journeys

5033 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:18,720 take

5034 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:18,820 a

5035 00:46:18,820 --> 00:46:18,940 long

5036 00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:19,220 time

5037 00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:19,400 it’s

5038 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:19,880 boring

5039 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,120 and

5040 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,100 to

5041 00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:22,400 put

5042 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:22,900 all

5043 00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:23,020 the

5044 00:46:23,020 --> 00:46:23,280 life

5045 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:23,560 support

5046 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:23,940 systems

5047 00:46:23,940 --> 00:46:24,140 for

5048 00:46:24,140 --> 00:46:24,260 a

5049 00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:24,480 human

5050 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:24,760 on

5051 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:25,120 a

5052 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:25,340 boat

5053 00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:25,520 that

5054 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:25,700 has

5055 00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:25,900 to

5056 00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:26,240 deal

5057 00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:26,360 with

5058 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:26,860 hurricanes

5059 00:46:26,860 --> 00:46:29,240 it’s

5060 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:29,700 expensive

5061 00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:31,000 there’s

5062 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:31,100 all

5063 00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:31,240 those

5064 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:31,700 systems

5065 00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:32,420 too

5066 00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:33,280 and

5067 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,100 jumping

5068 00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:34,420 back

5069 00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:34,720 to

5070 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:35,080 the

5071 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:35,980 question

5072 00:46:35,980 --> 00:46:36,600 of

5073 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,100 acceptance

5074 00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:38,680 and

5075 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:39,100 the

5076 00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:39,560 psychology

5077 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:40,040 and

5078 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:40,640 comfortableness

5079 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:41,120 it’s

5080 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:41,320 definitely

5081 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:41,560 something

5082 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:41,920 we have

5083 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:42,060 to

5084 00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:42,580 think

5085 00:46:42,580 --> 00:46:42,900 about

5086 00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:43,240 one

5087 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:43,320 of

5088 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:43,420 my

5089 00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:43,700 favorite

5090 00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:44,340 jokes

5091 00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:44,560 on

5092 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:44,700 that

5093 00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:44,840 talk

5094 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:45,260 is

5095 00:46:45,260 --> 00:46:45,500 that

5096 00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:45,700 the

5097 00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:46,020 new

5098 00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:46,660 American

5099 00:46:46,660 --> 00:46:47,540 fighter

5100 00:46:47,540 --> 00:46:47,840 plane

5101 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,020 they’re

5102 00:46:48,020 --> 00:46:48,280 designing

5103 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:48,640 now

5104 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:49,220 the

5105 00:46:49,220 --> 00:46:49,440 next

5106 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:49,920 generation

5107 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:50,520 it’s

5108 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:50,620 going

5109 00:46:50,620 --> 00:46:50,720 to

5110 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:51,040 have

5111 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:51,660 a

5112 00:46:51,660 --> 00:46:51,980 man

5113 00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:53,040 man

5114 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:53,660 pilot

5115 00:46:53,660 --> 00:46:57,640 and

5116 00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:57,780 a

5117 00:46:57,780 --> 00:46:58,080 dog

5118 00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:58,460 on

5119 00:46:58,460 --> 00:46:58,760 board

5120 00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:59,500 and

5121 00:46:59,500 --> 00:46:59,740 the

5122 00:46:59,740 --> 00:47:00,240 human’s

5123 00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:00,620 job

5124 00:47:00,620 --> 00:47:00,840 is

5125 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:00,960 to

5126 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,100 feed

5127 00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:01,240 the

5128 00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:01,500 dog

5129 00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:02,340 and

5130 00:47:02,340 --> 00:47:02,500 the

5131 00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:02,780 dog’s

5132 00:47:02,780 --> 00:47:02,960 job

5133 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:03,120 is

5134 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:03,280 to

5135 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:03,440 bite

5136 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:03,600 the

5137 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:03,960 human

5138 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:04,300 if

5139 00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:04,400 the

5140 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:04,560 human

5141 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:04,780 tries

5142 00:47:04,780 --> 00:47:04,920 to

5143 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:05,100 touch

5144 00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:05,240 any

5145 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:05,340 of

5146 00:47:05,340 --> 00:47:05,400 the

5147 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:05,760 controls

5148 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,460 right

5149 00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:07,840 so

5150 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,360 good

5151 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:10,520 joke

5152 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,400 so

5153 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:11,540 you

5154 00:47:11,540 --> 00:47:11,660 know

5155 00:47:11,660 --> 00:47:11,920 like

5156 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:12,180 the

5157 00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:12,580 pilot’s

5158 00:47:12,580 --> 00:47:12,940 there

5159 00:47:12,940 --> 00:47:13,520 but

5160 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:13,620 he’s

5161 00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:13,720 not

5162 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:13,840 allowed

5163 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:13,940 to

5164 00:47:13,940 --> 00:47:14,100 touch

5165 00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:14,320 anything

5166 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,400 so

5167 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,220 I

5168 00:47:19,220 --> 00:47:19,640 think

5169 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,100 that’s

5170 00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:20,640 sort

5171 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:20,740 of

5172 00:47:20,740 --> 00:47:20,900 where

5173 00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:21,180 things

5174 00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:21,320 will

5175 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:21,520 go

5176 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:21,980 right

5177 00:47:21,980 --> 00:47:22,320 now

5178 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:22,740 all

5179 00:47:22,740 --> 00:47:22,860 the

5180 00:47:22,860 --> 00:47:23,100 testing

5181 00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:23,420 usually

5182 00:47:23,420 --> 00:47:23,700 has

5183 00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:23,980 a

5184 00:47:23,980 --> 00:47:24,320 safety

5185 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:24,680 pilot

5186 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:25,200 there

5187 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:25,620 and

5188 00:47:25,620 --> 00:47:26,400 you

5189 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:26,520 just

5190 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:26,620 have

5191 00:47:26,620 --> 00:47:26,680 to

5192 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:26,780 make

5193 00:47:26,780 --> 00:47:26,880 sure

5194 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:27,020 the

5195 00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:27,200 safety

5196 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:27,440 pilot

5197 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:27,600 is

5198 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:27,760 paying

5199 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,120 attention

5200 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:28,980 obviously

5201 00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:30,160 uber

5202 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:30,500 had a

5203 00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:30,760 problem

5204 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:30,980 with

5205 00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:31,080 a

5206 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:31,420 safety

5207 00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:31,780 pilot

5208 00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:32,240 not

5209 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,120 doing

5210 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:35,300 the

5211 00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:35,560 job

5212 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,300 but

5213 00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:38,520 it’s

5214 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:38,620 going

5215 00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:38,720 to

5216 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:39,040 take

5217 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:39,580 these

5218 00:47:39,580 --> 00:47:39,960 baby

5219 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:40,460 steps

5220 00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:41,260 to

5221 00:47:41,260 --> 00:47:42,260 get

5222 00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:42,780 acceptance

5223 00:47:42,780 --> 00:47:43,100 and

5224 00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:43,200 a

5225 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:43,300 big

5226 00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:43,500 part

5227 00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:43,620 of

5228 00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:43,800 that

5229 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,060 is

5230 00:47:44,060 --> 00:47:44,400 to

5231 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:44,940 convince

5232 00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:45,220 people

5233 00:47:45,220 --> 00:47:45,380 that

5234 00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:45,560 you’ve

5235 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:45,720 thought

5236 00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:46,080 about

5237 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:46,460 what

5238 00:47:46,460 --> 00:47:46,580 can

5239 00:47:46,580 --> 00:47:46,720 go

5240 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:46,920 wrong

5241 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:47,320 properly

5242 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:47,920 and

5243 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:48,120 not

5244 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:48,420 just

5245 00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:48,840 the

5246 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,000 ways

5247 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,160 the

5248 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:49,400 system

5249 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:49,600 can

5250 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:49,840 fail

5251 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,340 organically

5252 00:47:50,340 --> 00:47:50,760 but

5253 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:50,880 the

5254 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:51,160 ways

5255 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:51,500 that

5256 00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:52,460 malicious

5257 00:47:52,460 --> 00:47:52,860 people

5258 00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:53,200 might

5259 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:53,680 try

5260 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:53,780 to

5261 00:47:53,780 --> 00:47:53,920 make

5262 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:54,020 it

5263 00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:54,260 fail

5264 00:47:54,260 --> 00:47:54,880 so

5265 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:55,140 that’s

5266 00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:55,300 really

5267 00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:55,420 what

5268 00:47:55,420 --> 00:47:55,520 the

5269 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:55,680 talk

5270 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:55,800 is

5271 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:56,060 about

5272 00:47:56,060 --> 00:47:56,540 isn’t

5273 00:47:56,540 --> 00:47:57,040 aviation

5274 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:57,340 sort

5275 00:47:57,340 --> 00:47:57,440 of

5276 00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:57,600 the

5277 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:57,840 field

5278 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:57,980 that

5279 00:47:57,980 --> 00:47:58,080 we

5280 00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:58,200 have

5281 00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:58,480 gotten

5282 00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:58,960 the

5283 00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:59,380 furthest

5284 00:47:59,380 --> 00:47:59,600 right

5285 00:47:59,600 --> 00:47:59,820 now

5286 00:47:59,820 --> 00:48:00,140 like

5287 00:48:00,140 --> 00:48:00,300 we

5288 00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:00,660 have

5289 00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:01,920 most

5290 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:02,120 of

5291 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:02,240 the

5292 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:02,580 flight

5293 00:48:02,580 --> 00:48:02,900 hours

5294 00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:03,260 are

5295 00:48:03,260 --> 00:48:03,620 done

5296 00:48:03,620 --> 00:48:03,800 by

5297 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:04,340 autopilot

5298 00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:04,680 by

5299 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:05,180 the

5300 00:48:05,180 --> 00:48:05,600 safety

5301 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,000 pilot

5302 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:06,420 and

5303 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:14,900 yeah

5304 00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:16,020 I think

5305 00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:16,140 the

5306 00:48:16,140 --> 00:48:16,520 uptake

5307 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:16,880 has

5308 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:17,040 been

5309 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:17,440 highest

5310 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:17,760 in

5311 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:17,960 the

5312 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:18,260 aerial

5313 00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:18,720 space

5314 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:19,160 because

5315 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:19,520 collision

5316 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:19,980 avoidance

5317 00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:20,120 is

5318 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:20,280 less

5319 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:20,380 of

5320 00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:20,460 a

5321 00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:20,720 problem

5322 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:21,940 and

5323 00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:24,640 there’s

5324 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:24,920 a lot

5325 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:25,040 of

5326 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:25,940 space

5327 00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:26,220 in

5328 00:48:26,220 --> 00:48:26,340 the

5329 00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:26,600 air

5330 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:26,800 and

5331 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:27,340 everything’s

5332 00:48:27,340 --> 00:48:27,700 tracked

5333 00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:28,260 so

5334 00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:28,500 they

5335 00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:28,660 just

5336 00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:28,780 don’t

5337 00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:28,900 have

5338 00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:29,000 to

5339 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:29,240 worry

5340 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:29,540 about

5341 00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:29,820 a

5342 00:48:29,820 --> 00:48:29,960 lot

5343 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:30,060 of

5344 00:48:30,060 --> 00:48:30,260 those

5345 00:48:30,260 --> 00:48:30,420 sort

5346 00:48:30,420 --> 00:48:30,580 of

5347 00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:30,820 very

5348 00:48:30,820 --> 00:48:31,200 basic

5349 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:31,560 things

5350 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:31,760 yeah

5351 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:31,920 and

5352 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:32,240 if

5353 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:32,420 the

5354 00:48:32,420 --> 00:48:32,820 GPS

5355 00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:33,020 or

5356 00:48:33,020 --> 00:48:33,400 positioning

5357 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:33,840 system

5358 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:34,040 is

5359 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:34,340 off

5360 00:48:34,340 --> 00:48:34,600 by

5361 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:35,000 10

5362 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,140 or

5363 00:48:35,140 --> 00:48:35,360 20

5364 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:35,660 meters

5365 00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:35,960 that’s

5366 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:36,060 not

5367 00:48:36,060 --> 00:48:36,160 a

5368 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:36,460 problem

5369 00:48:36,460 --> 00:48:36,960 they

5370 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:37,160 have

5371 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:37,580 larger

5372 00:48:37,580 --> 00:48:38,180 margins

5373 00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:38,380 of

5374 00:48:38,380 --> 00:48:39,160 yeah

5375 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:39,400 here’s

5376 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:39,480 a

5377 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:39,620 really

5378 00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:40,080 interesting

5379 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:40,520 example

5380 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:40,940 so

5381 00:48:40,940 --> 00:48:41,780 the

5382 00:48:41,780 --> 00:48:42,220 military

5383 00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:42,620 when

5384 00:48:42,620 --> 00:48:42,920 they

5385 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:43,680 have

5386 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:44,140 they

5387 00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:44,260 have

5388 00:48:44,260 --> 00:48:44,600 expensive

5389 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:44,940 drone

5390 00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:45,380 aircraft

5391 00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:45,620 right

5392 00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:45,800 they

5393 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:45,980 cost

5394 00:48:45,980 --> 00:48:46,260 millions

5395 00:48:46,260 --> 00:48:46,580 dollars

5396 00:48:46,580 --> 00:48:47,240 whatever

5397 00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:47,820 let’s

5398 00:48:47,820 --> 00:48:47,980 say

5399 00:48:47,980 --> 00:48:48,240 20

5400 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:48,440 30

5401 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:48,680 million

5402 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:48,980 dollars

5403 00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:49,280 per

5404 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:49,820 airframe

5405 00:48:49,820 --> 00:48:51,140 and

5406 00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:51,380 most

5407 00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:51,540 of

5408 00:48:51,540 --> 00:48:51,680 them

5409 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:51,860 have

5410 00:48:51,860 --> 00:48:52,380 supervisory

5411 00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:52,740 control

5412 00:48:52,740 --> 00:48:52,900 on

5413 00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:52,960 the

5414 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:53,140 ground

5415 00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:53,460 somewhere

5416 00:48:53,460 --> 00:48:53,820 so

5417 00:48:53,820 --> 00:48:54,280 there’s

5418 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:54,560 someone

5419 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,100 that may

5420 00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:55,220 be

5421 00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:55,440 giving

5422 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:55,580 a

5423 00:48:55,580 --> 00:48:55,840 GPS

5424 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:56,320 waypoint

5425 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:56,500 so

5426 00:48:56,500 --> 00:48:56,720 whatever

5427 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:57,060 but

5428 00:48:57,060 --> 00:48:57,480 they’re

5429 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,340 monitoring

5430 00:48:58,340 --> 00:48:58,560 what

5431 00:48:58,560 --> 00:48:58,680 it’s

5432 00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:58,900 doing

5433 00:48:58,900 --> 00:48:59,100 at

5434 00:48:59,100 --> 00:48:59,220 all

5435 00:48:59,220 --> 00:48:59,500 times

5436 00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:00,060 if

5437 00:49:00,060 --> 00:49:00,200 they

5438 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:00,680 lose

5439 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:01,200 contact

5440 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:01,620 with

5441 00:49:01,620 --> 00:49:01,720 the

5442 00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:02,140 airframe

5443 00:49:02,140 --> 00:49:03,380 the

5444 00:49:03,380 --> 00:49:05,160 platform

5445 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:05,460 is

5446 00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:05,960 completely

5447 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:06,440 capable

5448 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:06,640 of

5449 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:06,880 flying

5450 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:07,160 itself

5451 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:07,800 back

5452 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:07,980 to

5453 00:49:07,980 --> 00:49:08,240 base

5454 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:08,840 they

5455 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:09,140 don’t

5456 00:49:09,140 --> 00:49:09,580 they

5457 00:49:09,580 --> 00:49:09,720 just

5458 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:09,980 crash

5459 00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:10,200 it

5460 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:10,740 even

5461 00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:10,880 though

5462 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:10,960 it’s

5463 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:11,060 like

5464 00:49:11,060 --> 00:49:11,260 30

5465 00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:11,420 million

5466 00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:11,680 dollars

5467 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:11,780 or

5468 00:49:11,780 --> 00:49:11,980 whatever

5469 00:49:11,980 --> 00:49:12,640 because

5470 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,880 the

5471 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:14,120 worst

5472 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:14,320 case

5473 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:14,700 scenario

5474 00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:15,220 is

5475 00:49:15,220 --> 00:49:15,420 that

5476 00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:15,540 it

5477 00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:15,700 goes

5478 00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:15,860 to

5479 00:49:15,860 --> 00:49:16,060 land

5480 00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:16,480 itself

5481 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:16,840 and

5482 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,040 there’s

5483 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:17,200 like

5484 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:17,340 a

5485 00:49:17,340 --> 00:49:17,700 C-130

5486 00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:18,060 full

5487 00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:18,180 of

5488 00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:18,460 soldiers

5489 00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:18,620 or

5490 00:49:18,620 --> 00:49:18,860 something

5491 00:49:18,860 --> 00:49:19,080 on

5492 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:19,640 the

5493 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:20,160 runway

5494 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:20,480 and

5495 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:20,580 it

5496 00:49:20,580 --> 00:49:20,800 crashes

5497 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:21,040 into

5498 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:21,180 it

5499 00:49:21,180 --> 00:49:21,320 and

5500 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:21,500 kills

5501 00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:21,680 all

5502 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:21,800 these

5503 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:22,040 people

5504 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:22,280 so

5505 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:22,400 the

5506 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:22,680 military

5507 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:22,940 would

5508 00:49:22,940 --> 00:49:23,220 rather

5509 00:49:23,220 --> 00:49:23,700 lose

5510 00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:24,480 an

5511 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,040 expensive

5512 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:25,760 unmanned

5513 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:26,200 platform

5514 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:26,460 than

5515 00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:26,780 put

5516 00:49:33,380 --> 00:49:34,380 it

5517 00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:35,380 in

5518 00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:36,380 the

5519 00:49:36,380 --> 00:49:36,480 air

5520 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:36,980 and

5521 00:49:36,980 --> 00:49:37,500 in

5522 00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:38,180 the

5523 00:49:38,180 --> 00:49:38,400 maritime

5524 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,680 applications

5525 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:40,520 sooner

5526 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:40,820 maybe

5527 00:49:40,820 --> 00:49:41,060 than

5528 00:49:41,060 --> 00:49:41,280 we

5529 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:41,500 will

5530 00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:41,660 see

5531 00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:41,780 it

5532 00:49:41,780 --> 00:49:41,920 in

5533 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:42,280 cars

5534 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:42,620 to

5535 00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:42,760 the

5536 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:42,880 same

5537 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:43,220 extent

5538 00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:43,960 yeah

5539 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:44,100 it

5540 00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:44,140 would

5541 00:49:44,140 --> 00:49:44,160 be

5542 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:44,300 really

5543 00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:44,560 interesting

5544 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:44,680 to

5545 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:44,780 see

5546 00:49:44,780 --> 00:49:44,920 how

5547 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:45,000 it

5548 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:45,360 develops

5549 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:46,040 I

5550 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:46,340 feel

5551 00:49:46,340 --> 00:49:46,480 like

5552 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:46,900 I

5553 00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:47,000 don’t

5554 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:47,120 have

5555 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:47,220 a

5556 00:49:47,220 --> 00:49:47,400 crystal

5557 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:47,800 ball

5558 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,940 in

5559 00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:50,280 that

5560 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:50,580 area

5561 00:49:50,580 --> 00:49:51,020 but

5562 00:49:51,020 --> 00:49:52,360 I

5563 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:52,540 do

5564 00:49:52,540 --> 00:49:52,920 certainly

5565 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,120 know

5566 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:53,320 lots

5567 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:53,400 of

5568 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:53,560 people

5569 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:53,720 who

5570 00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:53,920 work

5571 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:54,020 in

5572 00:49:54,020 --> 00:49:54,500 oceanography

5573 00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:54,880 and

5574 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:55,060 they’re

5575 00:49:55,060 --> 00:49:55,200 just

5576 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:55,460 crying

5577 00:49:55,460 --> 00:49:55,700 out

5578 00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:55,840 for

5579 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:56,000 more

5580 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:56,400 robots

5581 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:56,920 they

5582 00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:57,260 cannot

5583 00:49:57,260 --> 00:49:58,260 get

5584 00:49:58,260 --> 00:49:58,420 the

5585 00:49:58,420 --> 00:49:58,620 data

5586 00:49:58,620 --> 00:49:58,800 they

5587 00:49:58,800 --> 00:49:59,080 need

5588 00:49:59,080 --> 00:49:59,660 scientifically

5589 00:49:59,660 --> 00:50:00,900 from

5590 00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:01,660 man

5591 00:50:01,660 --> 00:50:02,160 platforms

5592 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,040 just

5593 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:03,480 too

5594 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:03,880 expensive

5595 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:04,620 today

5596 00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:05,240 autonomous

5597 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:05,720 drive

5598 00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:05,920 in

5599 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:06,340 cars

5600 00:50:06,340 --> 00:50:06,780 that’s

5601 00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:07,120 a

5602 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:07,800 hot

5603 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:08,220 topic

5604 00:50:08,220 --> 00:50:08,660 but

5605 00:50:08,660 --> 00:50:08,840 I

5606 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:09,120 haven’t

5607 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:09,340 heard

5608 00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:09,640 any

5609 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:10,060 speak

5610 00:50:10,060 --> 00:50:10,340 about

5611 00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:10,840 maritime

5612 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,240 applications

5613 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:13,680 pretty

5614 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,220 interesting

5615 00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:15,280 suggestion

5616 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:15,760 actually

5617 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:16,200 I feel

5618 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:16,460 like it

5619 00:50:16,460 --> 00:50:16,860 should be

5620 00:50:16,860 --> 00:50:17,060 more

5621 00:50:17,060 --> 00:50:17,400 similar

5622 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:17,640 to

5623 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:18,060 aviation

5624 00:50:18,060 --> 00:50:18,440 yeah

5625 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:18,800 exactly

5626 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:19,180 more

5627 00:50:19,180 --> 00:50:20,360 margin

5628 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:20,500 of

5629 00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:20,980 errors

5630 00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:21,440 slow

5631 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,080 moving

5632 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:22,380 yeah

5633 00:50:22,380 --> 00:50:25,920 similar

5634 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:26,480 situation

5635 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:26,800 too

5636 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:27,000 with

5637 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:27,360 respect

5638 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:27,700 to

5639 00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:28,020 just

5640 00:50:28,020 --> 00:50:29,060 understand

5641 00:50:29,060 --> 00:50:29,080 the

5642 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:29,440 understanding

5643 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:29,680 of

5644 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:29,820 the

5645 00:50:29,820 --> 00:50:30,280 space

5646 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:30,560 in

5647 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:30,800 terms

5648 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:30,960 of

5649 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:31,280 what

5650 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:31,420 other

5651 00:50:31,420 --> 00:50:31,760 vehicles

5652 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:31,920 are

5653 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:32,080 out

5654 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:32,260 there

5655 00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:32,680 because

5656 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:33,300 every

5657 00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:33,980 boat

5658 00:50:33,980 --> 00:50:34,260 over

5659 00:50:34,260 --> 00:50:34,380 a

5660 00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:34,540 certain

5661 00:50:34,540 --> 00:50:34,800 size

5662 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:34,980 has

5663 00:50:34,980 --> 00:50:35,080 a

5664 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:35,580 transponder

5665 00:50:35,580 --> 00:50:36,420 you

5666 00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:36,560 can

5667 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:36,800 actually

5668 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,260 just

5669 00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:37,420 like

5670 00:50:37,420 --> 00:50:37,520 you

5671 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:37,680 can

5672 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:37,880 track

5673 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:38,260 flights

5674 00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:38,460 with

5675 00:50:38,460 --> 00:50:38,660 flight

5676 00:50:38,660 --> 00:50:38,900 aware

5677 00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:39,080 or

5678 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:39,280 whatever

5679 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:39,460 you

5680 00:50:39,460 --> 00:50:39,620 can

5681 00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:39,800 go

5682 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:40,140 online

5683 00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:40,340 you

5684 00:50:40,340 --> 00:50:40,500 can

5685 00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:40,720 track

5686 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:41,260 boats

5687 00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:41,660 everywhere

5688 00:50:41,660 --> 00:50:42,260 I

5689 00:50:42,260 --> 00:50:42,640 imported

5690 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:42,920 a

5691 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:43,400 laser

5692 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:43,620 cutter

5693 00:50:43,620 --> 00:50:43,800 from

5694 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:44,080 China

5695 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:44,320 and

5696 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:44,440 I

5697 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:44,580 knew

5698 00:50:44,580 --> 00:50:44,860 what

5699 00:50:44,860 --> 00:50:45,480 cargo

5700 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:45,700 ship

5701 00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:45,780 it

5702 00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:45,900 was

5703 00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:46,060 on

5704 00:50:46,060 --> 00:50:46,160 and

5705 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:46,240 I

5706 00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:46,520 tracked

5707 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:46,640 it

5708 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:46,760 the

5709 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:46,880 whole

5710 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:47,040 way

5711 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:47,220 how

5712 00:50:47,220 --> 00:50:47,380 did

5713 00:50:47,380 --> 00:50:47,500 you

5714 00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:47,660 know

5715 00:50:47,660 --> 00:50:48,000 that

5716 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:48,840 they

5717 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:49,060 tell

5718 00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:49,220 you

5719 00:50:49,220 --> 00:50:49,340 when

5720 00:50:49,340 --> 00:50:49,420 you

5721 00:50:49,420 --> 00:50:49,620 put

5722 00:50:49,620 --> 00:50:49,700 it

5723 00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:49,780 on

5724 00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:49,860 the

5725 00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:50,100 truck

5726 00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:50,300 I

5727 00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:50,860 was

5728 00:50:50,860 --> 00:50:52,400 like

5729 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:52,640 I

5730 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:53,680 did

5731 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:53,820 all

5732 00:50:53,820 --> 00:50:53,920 the

5733 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:54,220 customs

5734 00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:54,380 and

5735 00:50:54,380 --> 00:50:54,540 everything

5736 00:50:54,540 --> 00:50:55,780 exactly

5737 00:50:55,780 --> 00:50:56,240 what

5738 00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:56,520 ship

5739 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:56,620 it

5740 00:50:56,620 --> 00:50:56,740 was

5741 00:50:56,740 --> 00:50:56,980 on

5742 00:50:56,980 --> 00:50:59,260 so

5743 00:50:59,260 --> 00:51:00,560 you

5744 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:00,640 know

5745 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:00,820 that

5746 00:51:00,820 --> 00:51:01,120 you

5747 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:01,240 got

5748 00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:01,340 an

5749 00:51:01,340 --> 00:51:01,620 advantage

5750 00:51:01,620 --> 00:51:01,980 there

5751 00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:02,420 but

5752 00:51:02,420 --> 00:51:02,920 on

5753 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:03,000 the

5754 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:03,120 other

5755 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:03,300 hand

5756 00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:03,480 I

5757 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:04,140 think

5758 00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:06,720 maritime

5759 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:07,320 is a

5760 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:07,720 great

5761 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:08,180 space

5762 00:51:08,180 --> 00:51:09,220 for

5763 00:51:09,220 --> 00:51:10,280 automation

5764 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,500 but

5765 00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:11,620 if

5766 00:51:11,620 --> 00:51:11,700 you

5767 00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:11,960 look

5768 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:12,100 at

5769 00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:12,360 the

5770 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:12,840 organization

5771 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:13,060 that

5772 00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:13,240 does

5773 00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:13,500 most

5774 00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:13,700 of

5775 00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:14,080 the

5776 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,140 political

5777 00:51:15,140 --> 00:51:16,280 support

5778 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:16,920 for

5779 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:17,020 the

5780 00:51:17,020 --> 00:51:17,380 industry

5781 00:51:17,380 --> 00:51:17,640 and

5782 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:18,200 it’s

5783 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:18,360 not

5784 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:18,500 in

5785 00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:18,620 their

5786 00:51:18,620 --> 00:51:18,840 top

5787 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:19,180 two

5788 00:51:19,180 --> 00:51:20,360 applications

5789 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:20,780 where

5790 00:51:20,780 --> 00:51:20,920 they

5791 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:21,760 think

5792 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,160 uptake

5793 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:22,480 and

5794 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,020 revenues

5795 00:51:23,020 --> 00:51:23,420 are

5796 00:51:23,420 --> 00:51:23,520 going

5797 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:23,560 to

5798 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:23,640 be

5799 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:23,800 the

5800 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:24,100 fastest

5801 00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:24,500 they

5802 00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:25,200 think

5803 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:25,840 precision

5804 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:26,360 agriculture

5805 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,020 so

5806 00:51:27,020 --> 00:51:27,280 making

5807 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:27,700 farming

5808 00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:27,940 more

5809 00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:28,260 efficient

5810 00:51:28,260 --> 00:51:29,920 and

5811 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,100 driverless

5812 00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:31,420 vehicles

5813 00:51:31,420 --> 00:51:32,460 and

5814 00:51:32,460 --> 00:51:32,580 I

5815 00:51:32,580 --> 00:51:32,700 think

5816 00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:32,940 that’s

5817 00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:33,100 just

5818 00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:33,320 because

5819 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:33,480 of

5820 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:33,620 the

5821 00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:33,820 sheer

5822 00:51:33,820 --> 00:51:34,160 number

5823 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:34,640 of

5824 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:34,940 vehicles

5825 00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:35,120 you

5826 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:35,240 could

5827 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:35,640 replace

5828 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,680 yeah

5829 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,100 did

5830 00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:37,200 you

5831 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:37,360 look

5832 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:37,460 at

5833 00:51:37,460 --> 00:51:38,640 the

5834 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,960 paper

5835 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,460 from

5836 00:51:41,460 --> 00:51:43,380 black

5837 00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:43,740 hat

5838 00:51:43,740 --> 00:51:44,640 this

5839 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:44,860 year

5840 00:51:44,860 --> 00:51:46,420 they

5841 00:51:46,420 --> 00:51:47,360 downplayed

5842 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:47,920 the

5843 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,260 sensor

5844 00:51:49,260 --> 00:51:49,840 part

5845 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:50,380 pretty

5846 00:51:50,380 --> 00:51:50,720 hard

5847 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:51,180 they

5848 00:51:51,180 --> 00:51:51,400 thought

5849 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:51,700 that

5850 00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:52,440 lidar

5851 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:52,700 is

5852 00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:53,760 a

5853 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,100 solution

5854 00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:54,260 to

5855 00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:54,660 anything

5856 00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:55,360 because

5857 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:55,580 you

5858 00:51:55,580 --> 00:51:56,840 can’t

5859 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:57,020 really

5860 00:51:57,020 --> 00:51:57,260 fool

5861 00:51:57,260 --> 00:51:57,480 any

5862 00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:57,680 of

5863 00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:57,800 the

5864 00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:58,080 sensor

5865 00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:58,440 because

5866 00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:58,580 the

5867 00:51:58,580 --> 00:51:59,140 lidar

5868 00:51:59,140 --> 00:51:59,320 will

5869 00:51:59,320 --> 00:51:59,440 be

5870 00:51:59,440 --> 00:51:59,660 the

5871 00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:00,060 master

5872 00:52:00,060 --> 00:52:00,780 and

5873 00:52:00,780 --> 00:52:00,920 if

5874 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:01,040 the

5875 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:01,280 lidar

5876 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:01,460 gets

5877 00:52:01,460 --> 00:52:01,940 confused

5878 00:52:01,940 --> 00:52:02,160 the

5879 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:02,300 car

5880 00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:02,420 will

5881 00:52:02,420 --> 00:52:02,620 actually

5882 00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:03,060 stop

5883 00:52:03,060 --> 00:52:03,880 yeah

5884 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:04,040 but

5885 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:04,220 maybe

5886 00:52:04,220 --> 00:52:04,440 that’s

5887 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:04,540 what

5888 00:52:04,540 --> 00:52:04,640 you

5889 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:04,940 want

5890 00:52:04,940 --> 00:52:05,260 as

5891 00:52:05,260 --> 00:52:05,360 an

5892 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:05,660 attacker

5893 00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:06,040 as

5894 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,800 I

5895 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:08,380 showed

5896 00:52:08,380 --> 00:52:08,480 in

5897 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:08,600 my

5898 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:08,840 talk

5899 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,100 it’s

5900 00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:09,480 very

5901 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,680 docible

5902 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:12,720 and

5903 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:12,920 it’s

5904 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:13,100 very

5905 00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:13,560 spoofable

5906 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:13,800 too

5907 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:14,720 and

5908 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:15,100 then

5909 00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:16,100 it

5910 00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:16,280 would

5911 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:16,440 be

5912 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:16,920 really

5913 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:17,680 like

5914 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:17,900 the

5915 00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:18,400 updating

5916 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:18,600 of

5917 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:18,720 the

5918 00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:19,000 maps

5919 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:19,340 really

5920 00:52:19,340 --> 00:52:19,800 frequently

5921 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:20,380 because

5922 00:52:20,380 --> 00:52:20,560 as

5923 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:20,660 you

5924 00:52:20,660 --> 00:52:20,800 said

5925 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:21,060 like

5926 00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:21,700 overgrowth

5927 00:52:21,700 --> 00:52:22,040 from

5928 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:22,600 the

5929 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:23,680 bushes

5930 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:24,020 or

5931 00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:24,340 trees

5932 00:52:24,340 --> 00:52:24,480 or

5933 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:24,740 something

5934 00:52:24,740 --> 00:52:24,940 would

5935 00:52:24,940 --> 00:52:25,220 change

5936 00:52:25,220 --> 00:52:25,360 the

5937 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:25,520 map

5938 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:26,020 completely

5939 00:52:26,020 --> 00:52:27,100 so

5940 00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:27,260 that

5941 00:52:27,260 --> 00:52:27,380 would

5942 00:52:27,380 --> 00:52:27,500 be

5943 00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:27,900 interesting

5944 00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:28,460 and

5945 00:52:28,460 --> 00:52:28,740 like

5946 00:52:28,740 --> 00:52:29,280 heavy

5947 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:29,980 snowfall

5948 00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:30,220 there

5949 00:52:30,220 --> 00:52:30,340 would

5950 00:52:30,340 --> 00:52:30,400 be

5951 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:30,580 a

5952 00:52:30,580 --> 00:52:30,780 lot

5953 00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:30,980 of

5954 00:52:30,980 --> 00:52:31,480 obstacles

5955 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:31,800 or

5956 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:32,220 storm

5957 00:52:32,220 --> 00:52:32,400 or

5958 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:32,660 anything

5959 00:52:32,660 --> 00:52:33,580 there’s

5960 00:52:33,580 --> 00:52:33,760 actually

5961 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:33,920 a

5962 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:34,160 super

5963 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:34,540 interesting

5964 00:52:34,540 --> 00:52:34,920 thing

5965 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:35,080 that

5966 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:35,260 just

5967 00:52:35,260 --> 00:52:35,480 came

5968 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:35,740 out

5969 00:52:35,740 --> 00:52:35,940 which

5970 00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:36,060 I

5971 00:52:36,060 --> 00:52:36,280 didn’t

5972 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:36,420 put

5973 00:52:36,420 --> 00:52:36,500 in

5974 00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:36,640 my

5975 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:36,940 talk

5976 00:52:36,940 --> 00:52:37,760 because

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5981 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:38,480 it

5982 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:38,580 was

5983 00:52:38,580 --> 00:52:38,740 lying

5984 00:52:38,740 --> 00:52:38,920 off

5985 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:39,160 already

5986 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,020 and

5987 00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:40,160 it’s

5988 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:40,300 not

5989 00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:40,640 deployed

5990 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:40,880 yet

5991 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:41,100 but

5992 00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:41,380 Lincoln

5993 00:52:41,380 --> 00:52:41,780 Lab

5994 00:52:41,780 --> 00:52:42,640 in

5995 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:43,980 Massachusetts

5996 00:52:43,980 --> 00:52:44,660 just

5997 00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:44,920 came

5998 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:45,160 out

5999 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:45,360 with

6000 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:45,660 a

6001 00:52:45,660 --> 00:52:47,200 demo

6002 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:47,800 proof

6003 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:47,920 of

6004 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:48,220 concept

6005 00:52:48,220 --> 00:52:48,540 using

6006 00:52:48,540 --> 00:52:48,840 ground

6007 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,300 penetrating

6008 00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:49,740 radar

6009 00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:50,160 to

6010 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:50,340 build

6011 00:52:50,340 --> 00:52:50,920 subsurface

6012 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:51,260 maps

6013 00:52:51,260 --> 00:52:52,460 and

6014 00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:52,980 specifically

6015 00:52:52,980 --> 00:52:53,720 to

6016 00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:54,020 make

6017 00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:54,660 driverless

6018 00:52:54,660 --> 00:52:54,980 cars

6019 00:52:54,980 --> 00:52:55,400 behave

6020 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:55,700 better

6021 00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:55,880 in

6022 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:56,180 snow

6023 00:52:56,180 --> 00:52:57,120 because

6024 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:57,860 detecting

6025 00:52:57,860 --> 00:52:58,380 slip

6026 00:52:58,380 --> 00:52:59,280 and

6027 00:52:59,280 --> 00:52:59,760 detecting

6028 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:00,260 the

6029 00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:01,120 boundaries

6030 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:01,400 of

6031 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:01,540 the

6032 00:53:01,540 --> 00:53:01,900 lanes

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6034 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:02,580 the

6035 00:53:02,580 --> 00:53:02,880 road

6036 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:03,420 in

6037 00:53:03,420 --> 00:53:03,700 snow

6038 00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:03,940 is

6039 00:53:03,940 --> 00:53:04,240 extremely

6040 00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:04,600 difficult

6041 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:04,980 even

6042 00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:05,300 for

6043 00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:05,440 a

6044 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:05,740 person

6045 00:53:05,740 --> 00:53:07,140 but

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6050 00:53:09,460 --> 00:53:09,700 through

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6052 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:10,200 snow

6053 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:10,740 and

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6056 00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:11,580 ground

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6062 00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:13,860 maybe

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6067 00:53:16,460 --> 00:53:16,600 the

6068 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:16,840 ground

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6070 00:53:17,380 --> 00:53:17,780 very

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6076 00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:21,140 the

6077 00:53:21,140 --> 00:53:21,300 rocks

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6079 00:53:22,540 --> 00:53:22,680 not

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6082 00:53:23,460 --> 00:53:23,720 so

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6086 00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:25,500 map

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6088 00:53:25,980 --> 00:53:26,160 then

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6129 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:42,220 sensor

6130 00:53:42,220 --> 00:53:42,660 fusion

6131 00:53:42,660 --> 00:53:43,120 that’s

6132 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:43,240 a

6133 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:43,400 big

6134 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:43,840 challenge

6135 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:44,180 that’s

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6138 00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:44,720 can

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6141 00:53:46,860 --> 00:53:47,060 lot

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6144 00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:47,920 sensors

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6146 00:53:48,380 --> 00:53:48,660 try

6147 00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:48,820 to

6148 00:53:48,820 --> 00:53:49,040 give

6149 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:49,780 more

6150 00:53:49,780 --> 00:53:49,900 or

6151 00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:50,000 less

6152 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:50,360 complete

6153 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:50,740 pictures

6154 00:53:50,740 --> 00:53:50,920 you

6155 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:51,160 can’t

6156 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:51,320 really

6157 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:51,580 fool

6158 00:53:51,580 --> 00:53:52,000 one

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6173 00:53:58,640 --> 00:53:59,220 stable

6174 00:53:59,220 --> 00:54:02,400 possibility

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6176 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:03,180 vehicle

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6191 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:07,020 an

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6200 00:54:10,140 --> 00:54:10,460 a

6201 00:54:10,460 --> 00:54:10,780 lot

6202 00:54:10,780 --> 00:54:10,940 of

6203 00:54:10,940 --> 00:54:11,240 CPU

6204 00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:11,620 power

6205 00:54:11,620 --> 00:54:11,800 in

6206 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:12,400 today’s

6207 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:13,060 like

6208 00:54:13,060 --> 00:54:13,880 beginners

6209 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:14,980 autonomous

6210 00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:15,560 driving

6211 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:15,920 cars

6212 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,160 so

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6230 00:54:20,940 --> 00:54:21,260 wheels

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6233 00:54:22,980 --> 00:54:23,080 little

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6279 00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:42,160 go

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6291 00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:45,860 to

6292 00:54:45,860 --> 00:54:46,120 sleep

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6307 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:48,440 car

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6354 00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:03,060 drive

6355 00:55:03,060 --> 00:55:03,320 somewhere

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6359 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:04,080 now

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6370 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:06,200 car

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6374 00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:06,900 car

6375 00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:07,080 just

6376 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:07,220 like

6377 00:55:07,220 --> 00:55:07,480 drive

6378 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:07,820 around

6379 00:55:07,820 --> 00:55:07,980 and

6380 00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:08,100 not

6381 00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:08,240 even

6382 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:08,460 find

6383 00:55:08,460 --> 00:55:08,560 a

6384 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:08,800 parking

6385 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:09,180 space

6386 00:55:09,180 --> 00:55:09,500 because

6387 00:55:09,500 --> 00:55:09,600 in

6388 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:09,720 a

6389 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:09,940 city

6390 00:55:09,940 --> 00:55:10,720 parking

6391 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:10,920 is

6392 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:11,060 hard

6393 00:55:11,060 --> 00:55:11,220 to

6394 00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:11,480 find

6395 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:11,760 and

6396 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:11,880 it’s

6397 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:11,980 like

6398 00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:12,080 I

6399 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:12,220 just

6400 00:55:12,220 --> 00:55:12,320 want

6401 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:12,440 the

6402 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:12,660 car

6403 00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:12,880 to

6404 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:13,340 circle

6405 00:55:13,340 --> 00:55:13,960 go

6406 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:14,460 away

6407 00:55:14,460 --> 00:55:28,980 that’s

6408 00:55:28,980 --> 00:55:29,060 to

6409 00:55:29,060 --> 00:55:29,160 be

6410 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:29,320 some

6411 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:29,500 sort

6412 00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:29,580 of

6413 00:55:29,580 --> 00:55:29,980 regulation

6414 00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:30,240 that

6415 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:30,520 stops

6416 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:30,700 people

6417 00:55:30,700 --> 00:55:30,860 from

6418 00:55:30,860 --> 00:55:31,000 doing

6419 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:31,320 that

6420 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:31,500 on

6421 00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:31,580 the

6422 00:55:31,580 --> 00:55:31,720 other

6423 00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:31,960 hand

6424 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:32,080 you

6425 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:32,460 could

6426 00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:32,740 probably

6427 00:55:32,740 --> 00:55:33,220 do

6428 00:55:33,220 --> 00:55:34,360 more

6429 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:34,680 efficient

6430 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:35,620 parking

6431 00:55:35,620 --> 00:55:36,300 go

6432 00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:38,680 away

6433 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:38,980 park

6434 00:55:38,980 --> 00:55:39,280 somewhere

6435 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:39,580 come

6436 00:55:39,580 --> 00:55:39,780 back

6437 00:55:39,780 --> 00:55:40,100 tomorrow

6438 00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:40,300 at

6439 00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:40,560 eight

6440 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:41,260 exactly

6441 00:55:41,260 --> 00:55:41,760 but

6442 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:42,700 that’s

6443 00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:42,800 what

6444 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:42,880 I’m

6445 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:43,020 saying

6446 00:55:43,020 --> 00:55:43,500 there’s

6447 00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:43,720 definitely

6448 00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:44,320 solutions

6449 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:44,760 to

6450 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:45,340 that

6451 00:55:45,340 --> 00:55:45,720 particular

6452 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:46,160 problem

6453 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:46,520 but

6454 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:46,720 if

6455 00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:46,820 you

6456 00:55:46,820 --> 00:55:47,000 don’t

6457 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:47,240 think

6458 00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:47,580 about

6459 00:55:47,580 --> 00:55:48,300 until

6460 00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:48,480 it’s

6461 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:48,620 too

6462 00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:48,880 late

6463 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,140 then

6464 00:55:49,140 --> 00:55:49,400 you’re

6465 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:49,420 going

6466 00:55:49,420 --> 00:55:49,440 to

6467 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:49,560 have

6468 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:49,700 that

6469 00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:49,960 problem

6470 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:50,440 I

6471 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:51,120 also

6472 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:51,440 think

6473 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:51,980 the

6474 00:55:51,980 --> 00:55:53,340 really

6475 00:55:53,340 --> 00:55:53,740 interesting

6476 00:55:53,740 --> 00:55:54,020 part

6477 00:55:54,020 --> 00:55:54,120 of

6478 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:54,280 this

6479 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:54,420 that

6480 00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:54,500 you

6481 00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:54,760 mentioned

6482 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:54,960 that

6483 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:55,220 near

6484 00:55:55,220 --> 00:55:55,320 the

6485 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:55,440 end

6486 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:55,540 of

6487 00:55:55,540 --> 00:55:55,660 your

6488 00:55:55,660 --> 00:55:55,980 talk

6489 00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:56,140 is

6490 00:55:56,140 --> 00:55:56,300 a

6491 00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:56,540 vehicle

6492 00:55:56,540 --> 00:55:56,700 to

6493 00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:56,920 vehicle

6494 00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:57,540 communication

6495 00:55:57,540 --> 00:55:58,940 you

6496 00:55:58,940 --> 00:55:59,160 mentioned

6497 00:55:59,160 --> 00:55:59,320 it’s

6498 00:55:59,320 --> 00:55:59,400 going

6499 00:55:59,400 --> 00:55:59,480 to

6500 00:55:59,480 --> 00:55:59,680 take

6501 00:55:59,680 --> 00:55:59,980 about

6502 00:55:59,980 --> 00:56:00,360 37

6503 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:00,700 years

6504 00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:00,840 to

6505 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:01,000 roll

6506 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:01,140 that

6507 00:56:01,140 --> 00:56:01,540 completely

6508 00:56:01,540 --> 00:56:02,140 to

6509 00:56:02,140 --> 00:56:02,580 the

6510 00:56:02,580 --> 00:56:02,820 entire

6511 00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:03,040 fleet

6512 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:03,180 of

6513 00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:03,380 cars

6514 00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:03,700 but

6515 00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:04,980 I

6516 00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:05,100 mean

6517 00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:05,340 we

6518 00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:05,500 are

6519 00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:05,820 starting

6520 00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:05,980 to

6521 00:56:05,980 --> 00:56:06,120 do

6522 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:06,300 that

6523 00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:06,640 now

6524 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:07,700 and

6525 00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:08,180 I

6526 00:56:08,180 --> 00:56:08,340 think

6527 00:56:08,340 --> 00:56:09,260 it’s

6528 00:56:09,260 --> 00:56:10,140 going

6529 00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:10,200 to

6530 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:10,340 be

6531 00:56:10,340 --> 00:56:10,880 absolutely

6532 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:11,580 imperative

6533 00:56:11,580 --> 00:56:12,640 especially

6534 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:12,960 if we’re

6535 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:13,040 going

6536 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:13,120 to

6537 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:13,520 have

6538 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:14,060 autonomous

6539 00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:14,400 cars

6540 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:14,960 and

6541 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,680 self

6542 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:16,940 driven

6543 00:56:16,940 --> 00:56:17,160 cars

6544 00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:17,740 driven

6545 00:56:17,740 --> 00:56:18,100 by

6546 00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:18,480 a

6547 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:18,860 person

6548 00:56:18,860 --> 00:56:20,020 that’s

6549 00:56:20,020 --> 00:56:20,780 going

6550 00:56:20,780 --> 00:56:20,900 to

6551 00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:21,040 have

6552 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:21,160 to

6553 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:21,520 communicate

6554 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:22,020 because

6555 00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:22,400 people

6556 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:22,760 act

6557 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,300 irrationally

6558 00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:23,760 the

6559 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:24,060 interesting

6560 00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:24,320 part

6561 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:24,500 is

6562 00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:24,940 how

6563 00:56:24,940 --> 00:56:26,020 am

6564 00:56:26,020 --> 00:56:28,000 I

6565 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:28,140 going

6566 00:56:28,140 --> 00:56:28,240 to

6567 00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:28,540 act

6568 00:56:28,540 --> 00:56:29,000 to

6569 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:29,480 signals

6570 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:29,700 from

6571 00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:29,920 other

6572 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:30,260 cars

6573 00:56:30,260 --> 00:56:31,580 it

6574 00:56:31,580 --> 00:56:32,360 can’t

6575 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:32,560 be

6576 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:32,860 like

6577 00:56:32,860 --> 00:56:33,340 commands

6578 00:56:33,340 --> 00:56:33,560 it

6579 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:33,720 needs

6580 00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:33,840 to

6581 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:34,040 be

6582 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:34,420 treated

6583 00:56:34,420 --> 00:56:34,660 as

6584 00:56:34,660 --> 00:56:35,020 sensor

6585 00:56:35,020 --> 00:56:35,440 input

6586 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:35,940 and

6587 00:56:35,940 --> 00:56:36,060 I

6588 00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:36,200 can

6589 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:36,720 choose

6590 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:37,020 to

6591 00:56:37,020 --> 00:56:37,380 listen

6592 00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:37,580 to

6593 00:56:37,580 --> 00:56:37,720 it

6594 00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:38,000 that

6595 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,100 would

6596 00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:40,240 be

6597 00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:40,440 the

6598 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:40,960 ideal

6599 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:41,440 attack

6600 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:42,380 right

6601 00:56:42,380 --> 00:56:44,360 now

6602 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:44,560 as

6603 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:45,080 proposed

6604 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:45,400 there’s

6605 00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:45,600 no

6606 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:46,040 active

6607 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:46,440 control

6608 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:46,860 it’s

6609 00:56:46,860 --> 00:56:46,980 just

6610 00:56:46,980 --> 00:56:47,340 warnings

6611 00:56:47,340 --> 00:56:47,500 to

6612 00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:47,600 the

6613 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:47,740 driver

6614 00:56:47,740 --> 00:56:49,420 similar

6615 00:56:49,420 --> 00:56:49,820 to

6616 00:56:49,820 --> 00:56:49,980 the

6617 00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:50,280 systems

6618 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:50,420 we

6619 00:56:50,420 --> 00:56:50,560 have

6620 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:50,640 in

6621 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:51,000 aviation

6622 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,100 there’s

6623 00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:54,240 been

6624 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:54,460 plenty

6625 00:56:54,460 --> 00:56:54,600 of

6626 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:54,840 cases

6627 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:55,040 on

6628 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:55,380 record

6629 00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:55,640 of

6630 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:55,880 the

6631 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:56,160 pilots

6632 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:56,400 not

6633 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:56,640 pulling

6634 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:56,900 up

6635 00:56:56,900 --> 00:56:57,260 and

6636 00:56:57,260 --> 00:56:57,720 crashing

6637 00:56:57,720 --> 00:56:57,920 into

6638 00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:58,260 terrain

6639 00:56:58,260 --> 00:56:58,600 but

6640 00:56:58,600 --> 00:56:59,620 at

6641 00:56:59,620 --> 00:56:59,740 least

6642 00:56:59,740 --> 00:56:59,880 the

6643 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:00,100 warning

6644 00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:00,280 is

6645 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:00,440 there

6646 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:00,840 it’s

6647 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:01,020 better

6648 00:57:01,020 --> 00:57:01,180 than

6649 00:57:01,180 --> 00:57:01,380 not

6650 00:57:01,380 --> 00:57:01,620 having

6651 00:57:01,620 --> 00:57:01,860 it

6652 00:57:01,860 --> 00:57:03,440 that’s

6653 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:04,140 an

6654 00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:04,440 interesting

6655 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:04,760 feel

6656 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:04,940 as

6657 00:57:04,940 --> 00:57:05,180 well

6658 00:57:05,180 --> 00:57:05,680 I

6659 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:05,920 where

6660 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:06,020 do

6661 00:57:06,020 --> 00:57:06,120 we

6662 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:06,260 go

6663 00:57:06,260 --> 00:57:06,760 it

6664 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:07,040 hasn’t

6665 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:07,180 been

6666 00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:07,420 that

6667 00:57:07,420 --> 00:57:07,700 much

6668 00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:08,040 adopted

6669 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:08,320 yet

6670 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:08,560 I

6671 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,920 hope

6672 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,980 so

6673 00:57:14,980 --> 00:57:15,520 I

6674 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:15,920 think

6675 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:16,760 it’s

6676 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:16,980 like

6677 00:57:16,980 --> 00:57:17,520 there’s

6678 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:17,700 a lot

6679 00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:17,800 of

6680 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:18,180 low

6681 00:57:18,180 --> 00:57:18,400 hanging

6682 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:18,780 fruit

6683 00:57:18,780 --> 00:57:19,160 in

6684 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:19,720 transportation

6685 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:20,780 and

6686 00:57:20,780 --> 00:57:22,000 we

6687 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:22,120 can

6688 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:22,360 just

6689 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:22,580 I

6690 00:57:22,580 --> 00:57:22,760 think

6691 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:23,340 save

6692 00:57:23,340 --> 00:57:23,540 a lot

6693 00:57:23,540 --> 00:57:23,640 of

6694 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:23,920 lives

6695 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:24,100 with

6696 00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:24,240 some

6697 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:24,400 pretty

6698 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:24,820 simple

6699 00:57:24,820 --> 00:57:26,740 stuff

6700 00:57:26,740 --> 00:57:26,900 as

6701 00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:27,100 long

6702 00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:27,220 as

6703 00:57:27,220 --> 00:57:27,400 we

6704 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:27,640 think

6705 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:27,840 about

6706 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:27,940 it

6707 00:57:27,940 --> 00:57:28,240 carefully

6708 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:28,420 and

6709 00:57:28,420 --> 00:57:28,520 we

6710 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:28,700 make

6711 00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:28,860 sure

6712 00:57:28,860 --> 00:57:28,960 we

6713 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:29,120 don’t

6714 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:29,500 create

6715 00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:29,680 new

6716 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:30,080 problems

6717 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:30,480 and

6718 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:30,640 from

6719 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:30,780 a

6720 00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:31,080 security

6721 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:31,960 standpoint

6722 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:32,280 as

6723 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:32,380 you

6724 00:57:32,380 --> 00:57:32,540 said

6725 00:57:32,540 --> 00:57:32,820 like

6726 00:57:32,820 --> 00:57:33,020 the

6727 00:57:33,020 --> 00:57:33,380 PKI

6728 00:57:33,380 --> 00:57:34,020 infrastructure

6729 00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:35,660 I’m

6730 00:57:35,660 --> 00:57:35,960 really

6731 00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:36,340 interested

6732 00:57:36,340 --> 00:57:36,560 in

6733 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:36,780 how

6734 00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:37,100 that’s

6735 00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:37,180 going

6736 00:57:37,180 --> 00:57:37,260 to

6737 00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:37,440 play

6738 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:37,740 out

6739 00:57:37,740 --> 00:57:38,380 because

6740 00:57:38,380 --> 00:57:38,620 we

6741 00:57:38,620 --> 00:57:38,820 have

6742 00:57:38,820 --> 00:57:39,080 huge

6743 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:39,420 problems

6744 00:57:39,420 --> 00:57:39,820 today

6745 00:57:39,820 --> 00:57:40,140 with

6746 00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:40,260 the

6747 00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:40,500 web

6748 00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:41,160 and

6749 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:41,420 the

6750 00:57:41,420 --> 00:57:41,620 CA

6751 00:57:41,620 --> 00:57:42,060 structure

6752 00:57:42,060 --> 00:57:42,480 and

6753 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:42,720 now

6754 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:42,920 we’re

6755 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:43,000 going

6756 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:43,540 to

6757 00:57:43,540 --> 00:57:43,860 use

6758 00:57:43,860 --> 00:57:44,040 this

6759 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:44,200 in

6760 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:44,480 the

6761 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:44,740 vehicle

6762 00:57:44,740 --> 00:57:45,220 environment

6763 00:57:45,220 --> 00:57:46,220 how

6764 00:57:46,220 --> 00:57:46,440 is

6765 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:46,560 it

6766 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:46,700 going

6767 00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:46,780 to

6768 00:57:46,780 --> 00:57:46,920 get

6769 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:47,100 any

6770 00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:47,380 better

6771 00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:47,940 I’ve

6772 00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:48,100 looked

6773 00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:48,220 at

6774 00:57:48,220 --> 00:57:48,360 some

6775 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:48,460 of

6776 00:57:48,460 --> 00:57:48,560 the

6777 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:49,040 specifications

6778 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:49,340 for

6779 00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:49,640 vehicle

6780 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:49,760 to

6781 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:50,020 vehicle

6782 00:57:50,020 --> 00:57:50,320 and

6783 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:50,600 vehicle

6784 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:50,780 to

6785 00:57:50,780 --> 00:57:51,280 infrastructure

6786 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,080 communications

6787 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:52,520 for

6788 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:52,680 the

6789 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:53,040 PKI

6790 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,240 and

6791 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:54,640 just

6792 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:54,960 the

6793 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:55,200 fact

6794 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:55,400 that

6795 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:55,600 you’re

6796 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:55,680 going

6797 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:55,840 to

6798 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:56,140 have

6799 00:57:56,140 --> 00:57:56,340 to

6800 00:57:56,340 --> 00:57:56,720 consider

6801 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:57,100 cars

6802 00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:57,460 driving

6803 00:57:57,460 --> 00:57:57,760 from

6804 00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:58,720 Stockholm

6805 00:57:58,720 --> 00:57:59,300 to

6806 00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:00,620 Rome

6807 00:58:00,620 --> 00:58:01,600 and

6808 00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:01,840 probably

6809 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:02,180 dealing

6810 00:58:02,180 --> 00:58:02,360 with

6811 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:02,600 a lot

6812 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:02,700 of

6813 00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:03,400 intermediary

6814 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:04,240 CA’s

6815 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:04,740 during

6816 00:58:04,740 --> 00:58:04,980 that

6817 00:58:04,980 --> 00:58:05,300 trip

6818 00:58:05,300 --> 00:58:06,200 that’s

6819 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:06,320 going

6820 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:06,360 to

6821 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:06,480 be

6822 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:06,620 a

6823 00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:06,860 huge

6824 00:58:06,860 --> 00:58:07,180 headache

6825 00:58:07,180 --> 00:58:07,780 the

6826 00:58:07,780 --> 00:58:07,980 CA

6827 00:58:07,980 --> 00:58:08,120 is

6828 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:08,240 going

6829 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:08,320 to

6830 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:08,460 be

6831 00:58:08,460 --> 00:58:09,000 OEM

6832 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:09,400 specific

6833 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:09,820 I guess

6834 00:58:09,820 --> 00:58:10,160 so

6835 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:10,420 each

6836 00:58:10,420 --> 00:58:10,720 OEM

6837 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:10,980 gets

6838 00:58:10,980 --> 00:58:11,540 their

6839 00:58:11,540 --> 00:58:11,760 own

6840 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:12,100 CA

6841 00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:13,120 well

6842 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:13,500 I mean

6843 00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:13,680 that

6844 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:13,980 depends

6845 00:58:13,980 --> 00:58:14,080 on

6846 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:14,180 how

6847 00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:14,260 you

6848 00:58:14,260 --> 00:58:14,380 want

6849 00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:14,480 to

6850 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:14,620 set

6851 00:58:14,620 --> 00:58:14,700 it

6852 00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:14,840 up

6853 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:15,960 and

6854 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:16,260 if

6855 00:58:16,260 --> 00:58:16,400 you’re

6856 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:16,560 talking

6857 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:16,700 to

6858 00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:17,120 infrastructure

6859 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:17,360 as

6860 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:17,560 well

6861 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:18,260 so

6862 00:58:18,260 --> 00:58:19,840 how

6863 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:20,040 that’s

6864 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:20,180 going

6865 00:58:20,180 --> 00:58:20,220 to

6866 00:58:20,220 --> 00:58:20,400 work

6867 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:20,760 is

6868 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:21,580 not

6869 00:58:21,580 --> 00:58:21,720 going

6870 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:21,760 to

6871 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:21,860 be

6872 00:58:21,860 --> 00:58:22,080 easy

6873 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:22,260 but

6874 00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:22,720 from

6875 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:22,900 my

6876 00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:23,300 perspective

6877 00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:24,180 because

6878 00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:25,420 in the

6879 00:58:25,420 --> 00:58:25,580 United

6880 00:58:25,580 --> 00:58:25,940 States

6881 00:58:25,940 --> 00:58:26,320 no

6882 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:26,560 one’s

6883 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:26,720 really

6884 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:27,020 thinking

6885 00:58:27,020 --> 00:58:27,440 about

6886 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:28,860 crossing

6887 00:58:28,860 --> 00:58:29,360 seven

6888 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:29,780 countries

6889 00:58:29,780 --> 00:58:30,080 on a

6890 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:30,280 car

6891 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:30,420 trip

6892 00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:30,680 but

6893 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:30,880 in

6894 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:31,100 Europe

6895 00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:31,320 you

6896 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:31,460 have

6897 00:58:31,460 --> 00:58:31,560 to

6898 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:31,720 care

6899 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:31,880 about

6900 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:32,020 that

6901 00:58:32,020 --> 00:58:32,440 exactly

6902 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:32,960 completely

6903 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:33,580 different

6904 00:58:33,580 --> 00:58:34,040 jurisdictions

6905 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:34,700 and

6906 00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:35,680 lots

6907 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:36,540 yeah

6908 00:58:36,540 --> 00:58:38,120 well

6909 00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:38,260 it’s

6910 00:58:38,260 --> 00:58:38,340 going

6911 00:58:38,340 --> 00:58:38,380 to

6912 00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:38,500 be

6913 00:58:38,500 --> 00:58:38,860 fascinating

6914 00:58:38,860 --> 00:58:39,140 we’ll

6915 00:58:39,140 --> 00:58:39,340 see

6916 00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:39,620 maybe

6917 00:58:39,620 --> 00:58:39,940 in

6918 00:58:39,940 --> 00:58:40,760 another

6919 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:41,440 ten

6920 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:41,700 years

6921 00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:41,860 or

6922 00:58:41,860 --> 00:58:42,120 something

6923 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:42,380 maybe

6924 00:58:42,380 --> 00:58:42,640 something

6925 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:42,820 has

6926 00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:43,080 happened

6927 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:43,560 what

6928 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:43,900 a

6929 00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:44,100 time

6930 00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:44,200 to

6931 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:44,320 be

6932 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:44,660 alive

6933 00:58:44,660 --> 00:58:45,780 interesting

6934 00:58:45,780 --> 00:58:46,540 times

6935 00:58:46,540 --> 00:58:48,180 alright

6936 00:58:48,180 --> 00:58:48,660 if

6937 00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:48,920 you

6938 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:49,100 guys

6939 00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:49,260 don’t

6940 00:58:49,260 --> 00:58:49,360 have

6941 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:49,580 anything

6942 00:58:49,580 --> 00:58:49,820 else

6943 00:58:49,820 --> 00:58:49,940 to

6944 00:58:51,860 --> 00:58:52,160 want

6945 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:52,820 what

6946 00:58:52,820 --> 00:58:52,920 can

6947 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:53,100 people

6948 00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:53,380 find

6949 00:58:53,380 --> 00:58:53,660 you

6950 00:58:53,660 --> 00:58:55,500 I’m

6951 00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:55,660 pretty

6952 00:58:55,660 --> 00:58:55,820 hard

6953 00:58:55,820 --> 00:58:55,980 to

6954 00:58:55,980 --> 00:58:56,180 find

6955 00:58:56,180 --> 00:58:56,360 they

6956 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:56,500 can

6957 00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:56,700 find

6958 00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:56,820 me

6959 00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:56,940 at

6960 00:58:56,940 --> 00:58:57,800 hacker

6961 00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:58,140 cons

6962 00:58:58,140 --> 00:58:58,520 alright

6963 00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,300 sweet

6964 00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:03,560 so

6965 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:04,100 thanks

6966 00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:04,420 and

6967 00:59:04,420 --> 00:59:04,620 we’ll

6968 00:59:04,620 --> 00:59:04,860 see

6969 00:59:04,860 --> 00:59:05,000 you

6970 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:05,360 again

6971 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:05,620 in

6972 00:59:05,620 --> 00:59:05,740 a

6973 00:59:05,740 --> 00:59:05,840 little

6974 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:06,080 bit

6975 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,060 bye